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18 April 2013

On Gun Control, Obama & Friends Can't Help But Lie

M2RB:  Eurythmics

Would I lie to you?
Would I lie to you honey?
Now would I say something that wasn't true?
I'm asking you sugar
Would I lie to you?

‘The gun lobby and its allies willfully lied about the bill.  They claimed that it would create some sort of ‘big brother’ gun registry, even though the bill did the opposite. This legislation, in fact, outlawed any registry.’

- President Barack Obama, 17 April 2013


Here’s the Schu-Man-Too text:

(c) Prohibition of National Gun Registry.-Section 923 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following:

 (m) The Attorney General may not consolidate or centralize the records of the

(1) acquisition or disposition of firearms, or any portion thereof, maintained by

(A) a person with a valid, current license under this chapter;

(B) an unlicensed transferor under section 922(t); or

 (2) possession or ownership of a firearm, maintained by any medical or health insurance entity.”

The prohibition on creating a national gun registry only applies to the Attorney General (and thus to entities under his direct control, such as the FBI and BATFE).
Applying inclusio unius exclusio alterius, it IS permissible for heads of departments other than those under the control of the Attorney General, such as HHS, DHS, VA, etc, to create gun registries, using whatever information they can acquire from their own operations.

Under Schu-Man-Too, Sebelius could consolidate and centralise gun records from the information she gathered from healthcare providers or insurance companies. DHS could create a registry using info received from states like Missouri. The Department of the Army could centralise firearm information on current and former military through the VA, questionnaires, etc. Then, HHS, DHS, the VA, etc, could compile all of their individual data into one registry.


Your lies may work on gullible, LoInFo, simpleton voters, but it doesn’t work on those of us, who have bothered to research the subject and, obviously, know more about it than you do.

‘In fact, as Joe Manchin, the author of the bill, said yesterday, anybody that suggested that private gun sales, individual sales from one person to another, a family member or another, a friend to another, would be outlawed or would have to even go through this sort of check is lying.

- Joe Scarborough this morning

Riiiight, Joe, ‘cuz, like, um, the so-called ‘gun show loophole,’ which allows individuals to sell to other individuals at a gun show without a background check, wasn’t the WHOLE POINT of Schu-Man-Too’s ‘gun show loophole closure.’

Most sales at gun shows are between dealers and individuals AND ARE ALREADY SUBJECT TO BACKGROUND CHECKS. The ONLY sales at gun shows that are not subject to background checks ARE those between individuals.

So, Joe, who’s the liar???

Evidently, it’s you and Manchin.

Whether it's the President, other elected officials, or nattering nabobs like Joe Scarborough, when people start accusing their opponents of 'lying' when the facts clearly contradict them, you can take it to the bank that they are the ones who are either lying, grossly negligent in learning the truth, ignorant, or a combination of all or some.

'I think, well, if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single political argument left.'

- Baroness Margaret Thatcher, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom

The lies work on idiots like 'nonpartisan,' as evidenced by his response to a challenge to provide real 'nonpartisan,' credible sources to back up this claim:

'how could this cost them the senate if 90% of Americans, 80% of gunowners, and 70% of NRA households favor it?   the cowards who voted no, on the other hand, may be in for a surprise when reelection comes'

nonpartisan on April 18, 2013 at 11:23 AM

His proof?

'listen to the President’s speeches'

nonpartisan on April 18, 2013 at 11:27 AM

LMFAO! I bet nonpartisan still believes that Obamacare will cut his premiums by $2,500 a year, Obama did cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term, a youtube video was responsible for Benghazi, and King Obama Canute did, in fact, lower the sea levels.

‘As a long-time gun owner, I believe the right to keep and bear arms should not be dependent on the city in which you live. The provisions of the U.S. Constitution apply to all Americans, regardless of geography……As a gun owner, I am a strong supporter of the Second Amendment. In February, I was proud to sign the Amicus Brief in District of Columbia v Heller asking the Supreme Court to uphold the lower court ruling that overturned the long standing DC gun ban. We have a long tradition of gun ownership in the United States. … It is a tradition which every law-abiding citizen should be able to enjoy.’

- Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords, September 2008

I feel for Ms Giffords because of what happened to her, but you cannot be a true supporter of the Second Amendment if your support ‘evolves’ because of how it affects you personally.

When Ron Portman ‘evolved’ on SSM, the Left – including many of the usual suspects here – called him a hypocrite because he only came to support gay marriage once he learned of his own son’s homosexuality. It didn’t matter that Portman’s ‘evolution’ was similar to Obama’s Revolution on the issue.

Their argument was: Your personal experience should have no effect on the constitutional and civil rights of others.

They have a point…although they selectively make it. Nevertheless, if Ron Portman’s ‘evolution’ is merely an example of his hypocrisy, can’t the same be true of Gabby Giffords ‘evolution’ on the Second Amendment?


Axe said...

OK. So, Shu-Man-Too is Schumer, Manchin, Toomey. I got that.

But inclusio unius exclusio alterius -- the closest I can get to this is a well-known but completely ineffective birth control method.

angrymike said...

Howdy Resist........;)
Oh and posted.......;)

Predictable-History said...

Howdy, angrymike! Wassup?

Axe, inclusio unius exclusio alterius means the inclusion of one is the exclusion of another. IOW, the inclusion of the Attorney General in the language that prohibits a national gun registry does NOT exclude Secretary of HHS, for example. The statute is specific to the AG and departments under his control. It doesn't say that 'NO' department of the Federal government is prohibited from establishing a registry.

Axe said...

Hm. All things being equal, by specifying Bob I exempt Darlene from the language . . .

K. Back into 5th. :)

Predictable-History said...

Exactly, Axe.