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18 January 2013

Proggies at Reddit: "Hitler Was Right!!!"





"Auschwitz meant that six million Jews were killed, and thrown on the waste-heap of Europe, for what they were considered: money-Jews. Finance capital and the banks, the hard core of the system of imperialism and capitalism, had turned the hatred of men against money and exploitation, and against the Jews. . . . Antisemitism is really a hatred of capitalism." 

 - Ulrike Meinhof, a left-wing German terrorist of the 1970s and founding member of the Der Baader Meinhof Komplex



From Pundit Press:

Liberals on the popular liberal website Reddit were up in arms Tuesday night, calling for the death of Jews in response to a YouTube video. The video, which purports to show a small group of racist Israelis, inspired the ire of thousands of Redditors.

The top comment on the article, receiving at the time of writing this article, has nearly half a thousand "upvotes," which shows approval of hundreds of users.  It reads "Israel: Nazi Germany." In agreement, various users posted messages, including, "PLEASE STOP FUNDING THIS PIECE OF SHIT COUNTRY!"


An example of the average comment on the thread

Some of the more "choice" anti-Semtitic rants to enjoy before we tip-toe  through that tulips on the road to My Progressive Ponyland.

User "hitlerwasright1" agreed with the sentiment on the thread, writing:
Exactly. Every time I hear about something happening in Israel (which seems to be at least once a week), it always involves the Jewish population persecuting another group of people; in fact I wouldn't be surprised at all if it was discovered that they have secret concentration camps of their own filled with Palestinians. It absolutely blows me away that they could treat other minority groups like this after what all their people had gone through in WWII. Perhaps we should have let Hitler finish what he started before shutting him down, at least then we wouldn't have to deal with these disgusting people.
Herr Hitlerwasright1, alas, was not alone....

Littlemissnazi, who seems to be a capable of using a computer, but after that, it all goes down hill.  Perhaps, she might wish to seek work in Argentina or Paraguay where there are still Nazi families.


At some point, I'm kinda sad Hitler didn't finish the job of exterminating the Jews. They should know better after being persecuted due to their race.

There was some dissent on Reddit. At the time of this article, user "sdgfsvzvxf" expressed his disgust with the rabid racism on Reddit. He wrote, in part:
These are the exact same people who parade around espousing "anti-Zionist" (in reality, thinly veiled anti-Semitism) views and cry when people call them out - "ohh any criticism of Israel is called anti-Semitic wahhh wahh"...

Also the confirmation bias in here is hilarious. If this was a video from any other country, you'd all be saying "ahh that's terrible but it's just a minority of dickheads", nothing to the level of equating them to Nazi's or lamenting the failings of one of the most genocidal men in history.

What a bunch of degenerate morons you all are.

Here is the remainder of the thread.  Yes, anti-Zionism is just their latest attempt to not sound Anti-Semitic, but there words give them away"


[–]Fuddle 210 points ago
I don't think any country has a monopoly on racist young people, or old for that matter.
[–]Nuke_It[S] 123 points ago
Of all people these rightwing Jews (who have slowly taken over secular and open minded Israel) should know better. Holding rally's/harassing shop owners/ calling for internment camps... This repulses me deeply. My family didn't suffer in Nazi Germany, but we have faced discrimination for being Jews daily in Afghanistan (actually surprisingly not as bad as Europe before the 1950's). To do this to other people...people who are seeking asylum from strife and conflict... no words can describe my anger. I wish these fuckers would stop claiming to represent world Jewry. Some commenters here falsely assume all of Israel is like this. It is not...but it is trending towards this. Likudniks gaining popularity etc. Israel is slowly mimicking its Arab neighbors.
Edit: Link to wiki added. I know for a fact that racism against darker skinned MUSLIMS exists in Egypt. I would argue many times worse than Israel at this point. My Muslim Afghan friend who works in Dubai (and is very well off) is constantly looked down upon by Arabs...so are Indians, Pakistanis, Filipinos, I COULD GO ON...
[–]letmeneurothat 99 points ago
I am German and had three years of awareness classes on Nazi history. Even though my family had no part in the atrocities, and even helped defeat the Nazis, I took those lessons to heart. I cannot believe my eyes when I see revolting videos like these. How can one forget what was so recent in history? Why do people so actively seek to segregate themselves ? Videos like this deeply sadden me.
[–]MsQcontinuum 4 points ago
I'm just curious, but in Germany is there more silence surrounding Israeli hate crimes like this because of the Third Reich? Does political correctness stifle conversation about Israeli terrorism? Politically where does Germany stand on Israeli? I am really enamored with German history and I am extremely curious about Germany today.
[–]supataranta 19 points ago
What's in the German news quite often are Isreali settlements for example, but i can't remember seeing scenes like this on German TV yet. Germany's political stance is, of course also because of the Third Reich & Holocaust, very supportive of Israel and would never question Israels right to exist. Speaking of "Israeli terrorism" -in Germany- is a term reserved for islamists and neonazis. There is an ongoing discussion where to draw the line between Israel-criticism and antisemitism, because of course the current generation is not at fault anymore for our grandparents' crimes. So naturally, criticising Israel is allowed in a democracy, but in Germany there's always the danger of a backlash. EDIT: I would like to add something to my TV statement. I have not seen anything like this video yet, because i don't watch much TV. Stuff like this would not be censored...there have been reports on ultraorthodox jews in Israel etc. Just haven't encountered anything like this on TV before.
[–]MsQcontinuum 4 points ago
Great thank you for the insight.
[–]iamtheyou 4 points ago
German politicians will usually refer to "Germany's special role" towards Israel, meaning a more understanding view of potential Israel wrongdoings. When you attack certain Israel political positions, you will usually be called anti-semite, but I understand that's the same in other countries, like the US.
I've recently watched a few Nazi Germany documentaries as well as the series Holocaust. The Israel youth opinions notwithstanding, it's strange how they can't see the irony in this -- what they're doing looks like straight from a Holocaust documentary.
That being said, I suppose one could also reverse the angle and say: because of being pushed around so much in the past, Israel's positions are now so strong and defensive. Believe it or not, even Nazi Germany's argument was one of defense: they tried to make people believe that the German population required more "Lebensraum" (place to live) and that the population was sabotaged by Jewish people. This becomes an easier sell if living situation is bad and people are job less.
I wish we would just fucking get rid of all borders, race labels, religions etc. and learn to live in peace.
[–]letmeneurothat 1 point ago
Germany today is a progressive nation which has a pragmatic position that no topic of conversation should be off limits to public debate. Although as a country it does not take official stances on the matter by often withholding UN votes, the public very much has an opinion. Israel's crimes against the Palestinian people are portrayed as such on the news and we feel no remorse in doing so. Almost the entire nation is separated from National Socialism by one, two, or three generations and though aware of the atrocities feels no responsibility toward what happened. What occurred with the fall of National Socialism was a cultural rift with modern Germany emerging on the other side. In this modern German society fueled with aide of the Marshall plan the German psyche became heavily future oriented and culturally aware (a necessity when running an export economy). The free flow of citizens thanks to business created a huge population of multinational Germans (like myself!). And its precisely because of this that German citizens are extremely politically active on all fronts including Israel. Modern Germany was built on peace, open borders, and a desire to understand others, which is why Israel's policy of war-mongering, containment, and cultural elitism has gained the country a very unpopular place in German regard.
Keep in mind that minorities exist even within Germany that are xenophobic assholes. But on the whole, you cannot shame Germany into silence because our pragmatic and multicultural voice is simply too loud.
Also Germans know that most countries would be completely fucked without our industry, machinery, and banking.
[–]MsQcontinuum 2 points ago
What is the Marshall plan? Do you have any information I could read on that? German history is so fascinating. From the Germanic tribes on the Baltic sea, to the Holy Roman Empire, Prussia, WWI, WWII and modern day Germany. I cannot wait to visit and spend an extended period of time studying in Germany.
[–]letmeneurothat 3 points ago
The Marshall Plan was a U.S. funded recovery plan designed to bolster the Western European economy in order to have a powerful ally against the adjacent soviet nations. I highly recommend watching as many documentaries on Germany as you can, the cultural ones on music and movements give especially good insight as most of Germany's recent cultural history was so politically motivated, not least because they were the ones that shared a border with the soviets. I also recommend you watch movies on the Berlin Airlift and the movie The Lives of Others.
[–]MsQcontinuum 3 points ago
Prima! Vielen Dank für deine Hilfe. I hope that's right. I'm still learning.
[–]letmeneurothat 2 points ago
No, that was excellent! Glad I could be of help.
[–]ent-sapling 1 point ago
I assume you are english native speaking. First of all Excellent grammar and spelling :) Whats funny is that whenever Americans or generally non german-speakers write something in german there is always a version with a really funny accent going through my head. something like this.
[–]MsQcontinuum 1 point ago
Yup I'm an English speaking Canadian. I speak broken French (very broken French) and I am brand new to German. I don't think I sound like that and my German tutor only laughs at my pronunciation occasionally.
[–]ent-sapling 1 point ago
I know it's not like this in real life but still. ;) As a german I would like to know how you percieve german as a language. How hard is it to learn etc?
[–]MsQcontinuum 1 point ago
Learning basic vocabulary is alright. English has this problem where we like to make lots of "e" silent. I have to keep in mind that I have to pronounce all the sounds of the letters in German words. Grammatically I have no idea what is going in German. Remembering when to use der, die und das and how to organize sentences is very difficult for me. English is a messy language and German seems more organized so I have to relearn proper grammar. I really like the language though.
[–]Kazan 1 point ago
As another english speaking person the hardest thing I found in learning German was remembering noun gender and associated adjective endings.
Im Deustch sind Hauptword liebemachen, darum gibt es so vielen!
(it's been 10 years.. i hope that joke was intelligeble)
[–]Nuke_It[S] 2 points ago
I agree Germany is MODEL nation right now from many social and economic angles... That said
has a pragmatic position that no topic of conversation should be off limits to public debate
Not true. Holocaust denial is punishable. I don't know how to feel about this law. It has merit in the "Volksverhetzung" sense...but it is not free speech and has a very tough sentence. I imagine it's like that one Muhammad video would be a no no in Germany.
[–]trash-80[!] 1 point ago
The first screaming guy in the video screaming go back to Sudan looks and sounds like a Nazi youth. If the video was in black and white I would swear it was 1930's Germany.
[–]jsloss 19 points ago
Some commenters here falsely assume all of Israel is like this. It is not...but it is trending towards this. .... Israel is slowly mimicking its Arab neighbors.
I have no doubt that Israel's neighbors would love for you not to "falsely assume all of ____ is like this. It is not."
Unfortunately compassion has a hard time holding up against mob mentality.
[–]canwefucknow 1 point ago
There are real neonazis on these forums folks, the comments are nasty against jews
[–]haterade 5 points ago
Wow....you are an afghan jew? When did your family leave there? Do you know what it was like for jews there?
[–]Nuke_It[S] 4 points ago
We left when the Saudi/CIA/Pakistani backed Mujahadeen overthrew the USSR backed socialist/secular government. My parents were party members before the USSR was involved. Most Jews didn't really announce they were Jewish, but Afghanistan has so many different ethnicities that we all consider ourselves brothers/sisters. Of course there is bad discrimination, but not as bad as Europe or the Arab world I would argue. Something like how Iran (without the theocracy) and Turkey used to treat their Jews. Well, that was before the fundamentalist Muslims took over AGAIN (every time Afghanistan tries to modernize, extremist Muslims from the country-side fuck it up.)
[–]alexkun4 6 points ago
On the contrary, as time passes we are getting more and more westernized. We all despise them too, they have no job and the government pays all their expenses for studying and teaching religion.
What bothers me the most is all those young Israeli's behaving like this. The young are supposed to be more progressive...those will be future leaders and heads of families.
that is not true I hate it when you guys jump to conclusions with no actual knowledge. As I said before, religious people here live on their own raise their children to be fucked up just like them, any one outside their territory is just fine.
[–]ziggitron 7 points ago
Here you are saying not everyone in Israel is like that, then you go around and imply that the whole Arab world is like that.
[–]Nuke_It[S] 3 points ago
Ya, it is wrong of me to generalize like that...but this sort of racism is MUCH more prevalent in the Arab world. I would guess something like 10-20x as much.
[–]BagDaddy 2 points ago
oh lord, where did you get this number from? Israel has institutionalized racism against Christian and Muslim Arabs.
But yeah, let's blame the Arabs, the fuck?
[–]ziggitron 2 points ago
I don't know what you're basing your metrics on, but i've never seen anyone in Lebanon march down the street demanding that Africans (or anyone for that matter) go home. Yes we have out fair share of sectarian violence but its always political, never people yelling racial slurs at each other like that.
[–]HBZ55 0 points ago
No it's not you fucking idiot.
[–]haitham1 9 points ago
"Some commenters here falsely assume all of Israel is like this"
"Israel is slowly mimicking its Arab neighbors"
ya and you assuming that the neighboring Arab countries act like this.
[–]HanzoTheRazor -1 points ago
africans don't face much discrimination in arab countries.
[–]FluffyBulletz 2 points ago
thell that to the african-americans? sounds like paradise.
[–]muayguy 3 points ago
what % of society would you say identifies with these types of movements?
[–]whatashame101 3 points ago
Wow, you are really an Afghan Jew? I did not know you guys existed, I thought there was like 1 synagogue in all of Afghanistan?
[–]Nuke_It[S] 7 points ago
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Afghanistan
Funny thing was that the last 2 Jews in Afghanistan hated each other ...until one of them died. Now the other is alone tending to the last Synagogue there. He relies on charity (my family does send him money in the hands of relatives, but we don't know him personally).
[–]sasquachtaclops 1 point ago
what a co-incidence, maybe we should nuke_it. isreal is just as bad as the US anyways. ( US citizen here)
[–]TotFacienda 3 points ago
First, israel's Arab neighbours are no where near this racist towards blacks. as a black guys who's travelled through the Maghreb and much of the levant, I was never at the receiving end of even a racist remark. The gulf Arab states were different of course. Second, the irony is lost on these second generation Russian cunts, telling second generation Sudanese to get out of their country. They should all get he fuck out and give the land back to the native Palestinians. Third, this isn't a Likud problem; it's Leiberman's followers; a fucking immigrant Lithuanian who came to Israel to tell Arabs that they must leave his country. Every country may have a racism problem, but Israel takes the fucking cake. Blacks and Arabs at the receiving end of abuse, Sephardic Jews discriminated against in the employment sector, Ethiopian Jews fatwa'd to be false Jews. Fuck, you morons even discriminate against your own kind.
[–]Nuke_It[S] -1 points ago
I admit...no where near this bad, but much more prevalent.
[–]mantotoo -1 points ago
There's no evidence that rightwing Jews have "taken over" Israel. Only a small percentage of people are required to do something like this and have it recorded on video.
[–]__aha 16 points ago
These are a few extremist punks. Most people here in Israel do not behave this way
[–]sdgfsvzvxf 1 point ago
Indeed but only when it comes to Israel, the existence of a near universal social issue means that they are akin to Nazi Germany.
[–]ayline 23 points ago
You'd think they of all nations would be more sensitive to racial and cultural bigotry and discrimination. Guess not.
[–]MissEscapeArtist 4 points ago
You should watch the mini-series "The Promise". It gives you insight into the hatred and racism on which Israel was founded.
[–]hassani1387 9 points ago
Ethiopian women claim Israel forced them to use birth control before letting them immigrate http://www.timesofisrael.com/ethiopian-women-claim-israel-forced-them-to-use-birth-control-before-letting-them-immigrate/
http://www.isha.org.il/upload/File/%D7%93%D7%A4%D7%95%20%D7%90%D7%A0%D7%92%D7%9C%D7%99%D7%AA.pdf
"Birth policy in Israel over the years reflects a class-based and separatist agenda towards the various social groups in Israel. In her study about the differential birth policies in the state of Israel in the 1960s and 1970s, Yali Hashash, claims that the state encouraged birth among Ashkenazi (western), middle class families, and tried to decrease birth among Mizrachi and poor families. We claim here that a similar policy is currently practiced towards the Ethiopian community."
[–]nidarus 0 points ago
And since they're not better than all other nations, it means they're Nazi Germany. Makes total sense.
[–]Fuddle -6 points ago
Until a country starts to round up people from certain ethnic and religious backgrounds and kills them, they ain't Nazis.
By trying to make this comparison, you are taking away the horror from the cold, calculated and motivated execution of a population.
[–]justthisonce88 8 points ago
Until a country starts to round up people from certain ethnic and religious backgrounds and kills them, they ain't Nazis.
The Nazis existed before concentration camps, and the spouted similar rhetoric.
[–]nobodygivesashit 27 points ago
So...fencing them in, putting them "on a diet," and intermittently bombing them is a gesture of kindness?
[–]TheBloodening 3 points ago
Hmm I think you forgot what they did in Warsaw before they built camps...
[–]Rohm[!] 1 point ago
No, but Israel sure did make the news for having senior leaders say things like this:
In a June 2012 interview with the Israeli daily Maariv, Yishai was quoted as saying: "Muslims that arrive here do not even believe that this country belongs to us, to the white man."
Eli Yishai, Minister of Internal Affairs
[–]jade_skye 2 points ago
Saying that Yishai accurately represents Israel is like saying that the Tea Party represents America. Admittedly, it's sad that he has risen so far in the Israeli government...
[–]Rohm[!] 1 point ago
Well yeah, it's like saying the Tea Party represents America if the Tea Party had risen far in the American government.
So it's not a complete representation but it's pretty depressing and certainly indicative of some widespread attitudes. Fortunately for America, the Tea Party has not risen past the lowest levels of the federal government.
[–]jade_skye 3 points ago
Just a reminder: 4 years ago the Tea Party almost got to the (practically) top.
I think you just have to accept the fact that there are racist/bigoted/hateful people at almost every level of every government. Reddit loves to hate Israel because we (as Redditors) see ourselves as the champions for the little guys - and over the past few years the Palestinian Arabs have been extremely successful at painting the Israelis as Goliath.
By the way, the "help me, I'm the little guy" tactic has been in play in Palestine for more than 70 years - both by the Zionists and the Arabs.
[–]Rohm[!] 0 points ago
Just a reminder: 4 years ago the Tea Party almost got to the (practically) top.
But they didn't get there, and since then there's been a huge backlash to their regressive social attitudes and some serious appraisals from the right wing over whether their candidates could ever be electable again without having minority support.
If they had gotten to the top levels of government and spewed their dogwhistle racist drivel then Americans would not be in a great place to criticize the Israeli government. But that didn't happen.
In the interest of being fair, The Southern Strategy was a method employed by the American right wing in order to gather support of their "base" by appealing to racist attitudes. It was a successful strategy in America, and is continued to some degree to this very day. Here's a famous quote from Lee Atwater explaining it:
Atwater: You start out in 1954 by saying, "Nigger, nigger, nigger." By 1968 you can't say "nigger" — that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me — because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "Nigger, nigger."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy
Only after the 2012 presidential election where the Republican candidate Mitt Romney lost despite 88% of his votes being from whites is the right wing finally saying to itself "Hey, maybe this isn't working too well anymore."
[–]jade_skye 2 points ago
Imagine how much more backlash there would have been had they gotten there!
EDIT: Ok, I don't really see where you're going adding all of this stuff about racism tactics. I'd appreciate it if you addressed my other points instead of getting caught up in a wikipedia goose chase.
[–]jade_skye 1 point ago
Also just a warning if we continue conversing, I use a lot of parentheses.
[–]nidarus 2 points ago
The Tea Party and its wacky ideas had a significantly more dramatic effect on American politics (they essentially took over the Republican party, radicalizing it into self-parody) than Eli Yishai's Shas has on Israeli politics (where it remained a secondary sectorial party, loathed by nearly anyone except for its voters).
As someone who's constantly exposed to both political system, I'd say Shas is roughly on the same page as the American Republican party on most social issues: it's probably more for pushing religion down people's throats, but even its most extreme members don't reject abortion in cases of rape or when the mother's life is in danger. Marginally more racist (or rather, more open about it) towards immigrants, and less racist when it comes to Muslims, with whom they actually have a weird political alliance.
[–]Wibbles 144 points ago
African immigrants: go home.
American immigrants: welcome!
[–]MikeBoda 185 points ago
Shit...Israel doesn't even welcome people born on Israeli occupied land, but welcomes Jews from anywhere in the world.
And it has the audacity to call itself a secular state.
[–]Kheten 67 points ago
Israel calls itself a secular state? I can't even find that kind of duplicity funny.
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[–]spunkymarimba 5 points ago
That's a disgrace.
[–]fuckthedoggy -3 points ago
Stormfront (White supremacist version of 4chan) is busy on here upvoting their agenda today.
[–]sammy1857 9 points ago
Israel calls itself a secular state because it does not operate on Jewish law (i.e. it does not base/derive justification for its legislature from any religious text). It technically doesn't even have a state religion (unlike lets say Denmark, Norway, Costa Rica, etc. who are otherwise by all means considered secular). Compound this with the fact that a majority of the population is non-religious and yeah, you can consider Israel a pretty secular state.
[–]the_goat_boy 27 points ago
Any Jew anywhere on earth can claim citizenship under Return Law.
It's a cultural ethnotheocracy.
[–]metalcoremeatwad 2 points ago
what about african jews from Ethiopia and such?
[–]newsettler -3 points ago
Any Jew anywhere on earth can claim citizenship under Return Law.
Except such option doesn't exists, person can ask to immigrate.
It's the as saying any skilled worker can claim Israeli citizenship under the immigration policies, he can ask nobody say he will get it.
[–]the_goat_boy 11 points ago
The Law stated: "Every Jew has the right to come to this country as an oleh."
You can be a Jew with no connection whatsoever to Israel, and you have a 'right to return'. It's blatantly discriminatory and based on religion. Ergo, theocracy.
[–]newsettler 0 points ago
Any Jew anywhere on earth can claim citizenship under Return Law.
The Law stated: "Every Jew has the right to come to this country as an oleh."
You can be a Jew with no connection whatsoever to Israel, and you have a 'right to return'. It's blatantly discriminatory and based on religion. Ergo, theocracy.
Where in the law it says a person can claim citizenship ?
By your logic any skilled worker in the world can claim Israeli citizenship as he can come to Israel with a working visa and if he makes Israeli his main place of living become a citizen.
[–]sammy1857 -6 points ago
It's a simple immigration policy, similar to other country's return laws. For example, if you have German or Hungarian ancestry, you can get German or Hungarian citizenship. Does that make them racist ethno-theocracies (after all, only Germans or Hungarians can apply)? No.
As Israel is a fairly new state, they use the same law but base it on religion rather then race. That doesn't make them, or Germany or Hungary or any other secular states who have return laws compounded with secure minority rights a "theocracy".
[–]the_goat_boy 4 points ago
Jew isn't a nationality. The Law of Return, among others, makes Israel a theocracy.
[–]SlightlyFarcical 1 point ago
You'll find that claiming ancestral rights is only applicable for a certain degree of time/generations.
I am Anglo-Irish but because my mother was born in the UK and held a British passport, I have to jump through a lot of hoops to claim an Irish passport (provide Grandmothers birth, marriage, death certs. My mothers birth, marriage death certs. Register as a foreign birth. Provide only original documents, not copies).
No where along the line do I have to provide proof of being Catholic.
Can you say the same of the Israeli immigration policy?
[–]sammy1857 -3 points ago
Right, but you have to prove your ancestry- your "irishness" if you will. As Israel was only created in 1948, many Jews who would have liked to live there couldn't apply on the basis of their Israeli ancestry, as they were often from the Middle East, Europe, or South America- they were not technically "Israeli". So instead of basing the criteria for return on race, like Ireland does, Israel based its on religion. That seriously doesn't make it a theocracy.
[–]the_goat_boy 7 points ago
Despite the fact that any Jews anywhere in the world can claim citizenship in Israel. It is a cultural theocracy.
[–]jamman751 13 points ago
...outside of the fact their flag is basically a star of david, symbolizing the fact that it's a state for the jews.
[–]sammy1857 1 point ago
Once again, legislature is not derived from Jewish texts, there is no official state religion, and all religious minorities are afforded the same rights. The flag, which reflects the country's strong Jewish history, does not magically make said country religious- legislature does, people do, and both are secular.
[–]davoust 13 points ago
If you're a Jewish person born in Damascus, you can get an Israeli citizenship and go live in Israel without any problems. But if you're Palestinian person born in Jerusalem, who fled to Damascus because of the war, you cannot go back to your home, because you're not Jewish. So much about that secular legislature. Don't get me started on Jewish only settlements built on occupied land. Israel does not have a secular legislature.
As for the people - there is no Jewish ethnicity anymore. Sephardi Jews share more DNA with Spanish and Portuguese people than with Mizrahi Jews; Mizrahi Jews share more DNA with Arabs and Iranians than with Ashkenazi Jews and so forth. Jewish people are only linked together by religion.
And the ferocity by which Netanyahu and others in Israel keep repeating that it's a Jewish state leads me to believe it really isn't as secular as you want it to be.
[–]nidarus 1 point ago
Israel does not have a secular legislature.
Not a single word of what you said in the previous paragraph deals with religion, unless "Palestinian" is suddenly also a religion now. And of course, the "Jewish" part can't really relate to the religion, considering that the law of return only requires a grandmother of Jewish descent rather than any proof of faith, which explains the ~1 million or so Russian immigrants in the 1990's, the vast majority of whom are openly atheist.
As for the people - there is no Jewish ethnicity anymore. Sephardi Jews share more DNA with Spanish and Portuguese people than with Mizrahi Jews; Mizrahi Jews share more DNA with Arabs and Iranians than with Ashkenazi Jews and so forth. Jewish people are only linked together by religion.
This was thoroughly disproved by DNA studies. Here's a random BBC article if you don't feel like reading the whole thing, but the TL;DR is: all Jews, including the Ashkenazi ones have more in common with other Jews, and other Levantine nations such as Palestinians and Lebanese then they do with their host nations.
[–]Rohm[!] 1 point ago
The flag, which reflects the country's strong Jewish history, does not magically make said country religious- legislature does
Also, government actions based on religious heritage. You forgot that part.
[–]nidarus 2 points ago
The Jewish nation, not the Jewish religion. That makes it a nation-state (like the majority of countries on Earth, including nearly all of Europe, Asia, etc.), not a theocracy. If Israel wanted to be a theocracy, it could have been one, pretty easily.
Note that actual theocracies, such as Saudi Arabia or Iran are very proud of being theocracies. They certainly don't make laws that contradict their religion (such as gay or women's rights, or freedom of religion), or have non-religious leaders (not a single Israeli prime minister was religious, and at least one was a somewhat open atheist). And I doubt they would allow one of the highest percentages of atheists in the world.
[–]newsettler -4 points ago
...outside of the fact their flag is basically a star of david, symbolizing the fact that it's a state for the jews.
So all countries having a cross symbolize the fact that they state for Christians ?!
[–]RedAero -4 points ago
It is a state for Jews, just like Germany is a state for Germans. "Jew" is not just a religion.
[–]HanzoTheRazor 0 points ago
the technical term is Apartheid State
[–]sammy1857 0 points ago
Lets reviews our terms then:
Apartheid- "A policy or system of segregation or discrimination on grounds of race."
I.e. - under apartheid, black South Africans had no rights in a country in which they were the majority of the population.
Israeli citizens of African decent, though they are a minority, hold seats in the Knesset, the Supreme court, are allowed to vote, and are entitled to the same exact legal rights as white Israeli citizens. That completely debunks the definition of apartheid.
Now, lets try this with other minorities, like Israeli Arabs, who also hold seats in the Knesset, the Supreme court, have state sponsored Arabic-speaking schools and media, are allowed to vote (women too, unlike some of their neighbors), and are entitled to the same legal rights as Jews.
Hmm...
Please look up the definition before applying it so liberally.
[–]HanzoTheRazor 0 points ago
tell that to the palestinians in the west bank locked up in bantustans while israel steals their water and other natural resources.
[–]ignore_me_im_high 1 point ago
You can strike Norway from that list. It separated Church and State last year IIRC.
[–]gamberro 0 points ago
And it has the audacity to call itself a secular state.
I may be wrong on this but I think the problem arises from the definition of Jewishness and whether its based on an ethnic or religious identity. Israel defines itself as a "Jewish and Democratic state" according to the Basic Law and its Declaration of Independence. Its "Law of Return" of 1950 provides a relatively broad interpretation, allowing for anyone with a Jewish grandparent to return as well as allowing for a religious interpretation of Jewish identity (converts to Orthodox Judaism are accepted). Unfortunately, by adopting such a definition, it basically means the State takes measures aimed at maintaining those characteristics. As such, it encourages Jewish immigration while discouraging immigration from elsewhere including the right of return of Palestinian refugees.
[–]the_goat_boy 1 point ago
In other words, it's not a secular state.
[–]newsettler 0 points ago
Israel defines itself as a "Jewish and Democratic state" according to the Basic Law and its Declaration of Independence.
How about you give us a source for that claim ?
[–]MattWorksHere -2 points ago
This isn't about secular/religion, it's about illegal immigration. Just because people managed to walk across a border, does not obligate Israel to feed, clothe, house, educate, and provide healthcare for them. Look at this.
[–]Simlo 20 points ago
That old fuck that pushed the police officer at the end - he can go die somewhere.
[–]chubs44 4 points ago
He will. At some point.
[–]Datum 14 points ago
Russian immigrants: take my money and stay here.
[–]PhotonicDoctor 38 points ago
Russian Jewish Immigrant here. Quite happy in WI. My family was considering going to Israel. I said no even as a kid at 13 I knew what was happening. Those Orthodox Jews, are the biggest retards on the planet. I fucking hate them. I hate all their views because they are imbeciles and just stupid.
[–]Datum 4 points ago
Good for you my friend.
[–]RickyBigRigs 7 points ago
Seems like no one is welcome in "Israel" actually. (but Israelis)
[–]elgallopablo 6 points ago
And what they mean by Iraelis is Russians.
[–]EvilIsraeli -2 points ago
So I suppose you're from the pro-racism group.
[–]elgallopablo -3 points ago
No unfortunately I'm not, but if I were from the master race, I admit it would be swell to kick non Ashkenazis out of Israel as mandated by god and stuff.
[–]EvilIsraeli 3 points ago
Interesting fallacy: Ashkenazim are more likely to lean left (and to be secular). Mizrachim, however (formerly from the Arab countries and Persia), are the ones most likely to be right wing - and yes, racist. However, I know a number of exceptions to the latter. Stereotyping gets you nowhere. Neither does responding to racism with racism. It just makes people give up on humanity that little bit more.
[–]elgallopablo -3 points ago
but god loves them both because neither is muslim.
[–]newsettler 3 points ago
The Jewish tradition says that any person who observe the seven Nohide laws has place in heaven and he is a Hasid omot haolam.
And most modest muslims will by product be in the Jewish heaven if God or heaven or that the Jewish tradition is the correct one would exists
[–]Glitch198 -13 points ago
I am not trying to be mean but let's compare Israel to well... most of the rest of the middle east and Africa. It is all a shitty part of the world, whether it be climate and environment wise or politically unstable. But Israel became this great place with culture and technology and well... Civilization. They are simply trying to keep their country out of the dirt.
[–]yourshoesarewellshit 1 point ago
And how did they become a 'great place' with technology and civilization? American $
[–]Glitch198 -4 points ago
So? Israel is an oasis in the desert, and they should be doing everything they can to keep it that way. Americans hate it when the Mexicans flood the country. The Dominican Republic hate all those pesky Haitians that are sneaking across the border. Every country will have people who like how their country is, and don't want people from a more shitty place to come and ruin it.
[–]monster_cookie 108 points ago
I don't think we should blame the whole country. Every place has it's own group of assholes that believe they are better than everybody else.
[–]SuperDrink 64 points ago
the notion of this thread is: "5-10 israelis with yamakas act in a racist fashion, therefor all israeli jews are Nazis! but racism is bad"
[–]Datum 58 points ago
52% of Israeli Jews agree: African migrants are ‘a cancer’
http://www.timesofisrael.com/most-israeli-jews-agree-africans-are-a-cancer/
[–]grouchez 19 points ago
"Sweden and Poland were the only European countries surveyed that did not have majorities who considered immigration to have a negative impact"
fuck yeah, nobody wants to come to poland
but on a serious note, there's a difference between being against immigration and treating immigrants as cancer and lesser people
[–]RedAero -3 points ago
And Sweden is ridiculously hard to immigrate into.
[–]satez 2 points ago
Really? Source?
[–]smashybashy 3 points ago
There's a bit of a gap between not supporting immigration and calling Africans a "cancer"...
[–]kohulme 3 points ago
Difference between being against immigration and calling a race "cancer", is there not?
[–]DrunkmanDoodoo 1 point ago
Not around here it isn't.
[–]mavriksfan11 1 point ago
Sometimes, you just keep wondering why you even keep trying when everyone's so shitty and full of hate.
[–]SuperDrink 0 points ago
another manipulative article as what miri regv said was "a cancer in the body of the nation" (not that it's that much better), so how are we to believe an article that start with a lying title?
[–]Datum -4 points ago
I think the poll is very clear.
If you don't like it then you will find more here:
Two-thirds say Palestinians should not be allowed to vote if West Bank was annexed, while three in four favour segregated roads Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/oct/23/israeli-poll-majority-apartheid-policies 59 percent of them (Jewish students at the secondary level and graduates from high schools) saw that Israel has to expel all immigrants from Africa. Source: http://www.rohama.org/en/news/9022
[–]rsrhcp 1 point ago
Israeli Jews
Does this imply all Israelis? I know people from there, they aren't religiously Jewish.
[–]ace_urban 1 point ago
No. There are Israeli Arabs and Christians, etc...
[–]PantsGrenades 0 points ago
If I'm not mistaken it's not even legal for a Jewish woman to marry an Arab man in Israel. This sentiment is institutionalized to a great extent.
[–]SuperDrink 1 point ago
to marry in a religious ceremony - no (much like gay people in most religions can't get marry), to be marry - no problem.
but on the other hand if an arab (not even muslim) girl get married to a jew (or any one that isn't arab) it is considered an insult to the family and she is likely to be killed
[–]PantsGrenades 1 point ago
What the hell does this even mean? In my country Arabs can marry Jews and Jews can marry Arabs and it's great. From my perspective anything else is oppression.
[–]SuperDrink 1 point ago
good for you, in my country it's also legal - Jews and none Jews can get married but not is a Jewish ceremony.
beside that, if and Arab women 'hurt' the honor of her family by marring a none Arab she will get murder by her family, I think that this Arab tradition is present also in your enlightened country Arab population.
fucked up? yea. oppression? I don't think you know the meaning of this word.
[–]PantsGrenades 1 point ago
Indeed I do, better than you could ever know... But I don't need to go around sharing my own personal tales of oppression to know it when I see it. If a person isn't allowed to do something reasonable (marriage how and where he wants it) because of his race or religion that is oppression. It doesn't matter if it's one case or if it's institutionalized, it's still oppression. Any other argument is an excuse which falls flat. The ones who say someone can't get married are the ones being proactive--aggressive. They are the ones who think they're above others.
[–]SuperDrink 1 point ago
OK, just don't be mad on all Arabs, there are some who are progressive enough the see pass race.
[–]PantsGrenades 1 point ago
I couldn't give two craps what anyone's ethnic background is. I was raised to be egalitarian. The only metric by which I judge people is the effect they have on society (locally or globally). If someone helps others, he will always be my friend. If someone works for himself at the expense of others, he is marked and I will stand against him.
[–]Kheten -2 points ago
"Generalisms are bad guise"
Proceeds to make his own generalism
my sides are moving on their own
[–]gaggzi 9 points ago
No we shouldn't, but these fanatics are scum of the earth. I've been to Israel several times and everytime the ultra orthodox are making me sick. One time they spit on my mother and pulled her hair, a 60 year old Swedish woman, for sitting on the bus. Apparently she should give up her place to the ultra orthodox 35 year old man or else she should be treated like an animal.
[–]MineralsMan 1 point ago
What's the story of what happened? She tried to sit in the male section of a religious bus or something? Was the spitter arrested?
[–]rsrhcp 3 points ago
Exactly, I'd like to see more evidence of the whole country hating Africans, rather than one single video. I could make this statement probably with any country that has 2 things: 1). people, 2). video cameras.
[–]grinr 2 points ago
This video shows me as much about Israel as Worldstarhiphop has shown me about black people in America.
[–]Annoyed_ME -1 points ago
I don't think we should blame the whole country. Every place has it's own group of
assholesreligious fanatics that believe they are better than everybody else.
FTFY
[–]n4mu 54 points ago
To the anti-jew/anti-israelis. One thing:
Israelis and/or Jews were on the streets with their cameras exposing and denouncing this sick behaviour.
[–]x86_64Ubuntu 1 point ago
...Israelis and/or Jews were on the streets with their cameras exposing and denouncing this sick behaviour.
Thank you, I kind of overlooked that fact in my zest for Israel hate. Who was the rabbi(?) at the end of the film ? Is he a well known right-winger ?
[–]doctor_jew 0 points ago
Seriously this should be at the top. Reddit can be rather stupid sometimes
[–]smellybottom 0 points ago
Wait, I was assuming these Sudanese were Jewish?
[–]sammy1857 3 points ago
Nope, most are Muslim. Not that that would have been a problem if they bothered migrating legally, or if the migration was limited to refugees (the majority are economic migrants), or if Israel didn't already house roughly 60,000 of them (sounds little, but Israel is a very small country), or if they didn't tend to be highly uneducated, or to come from a country that has historically been very hostile towards Jews (i.e. Sudan), or to have a monopoly in certain areas over petty crime. I think this one instance came in the wake of an Eritrean man raping an 83 year old Israeli woman.
[–]smellybottom 2 points ago
Interesting, TIL. I assumed that 99% of immigrants to Israel were Jewish and got there due to Israel's policy of granting foreign Jews citizenship.
I also thought that illegal immigration would be close to impossible due to their immense security forces.
[–]PantsGrenades -1 points ago
Disliking Israel is not the same as disliking Jewish people.
[–]Datum -14 points ago
That's true. Just imagine a non-Jew trying to walk next to those maniacs. He will get his ass whopped from both guys and police. Jailed and forgotten forever. Camera confiscated.
[–]komenu 4 points ago
This racism isn't just towards the non-Jewish. Bigotry towards Ethiopian Jews has become widespread in the last couple years. This is unfortunate behaviour and only works to further de-legitimize the state of Israel
http://www.jpost.com/NationalNews/Article.aspx?id=254414
[–]A_User 368 points ago
Israel: Nazi Germany.
(EDIT: I like how the karma level of this post is different every time I hit F5. Stormfront and the JIDF are having a fight!)
(EDIT #2: I posted this comment 19 hours ago and it still seems to receiving about 4 or 5 up and down votes every second. I an only assume the JIDF and Stormfront have their respective bots firing away. I find this fucking hilarious on both sides.)
[–]Oh_stop_it_you 7 points ago
God, what a disgusting and unoriginal comment. I'd be willing to bet that you've never set foot outside of your own country let alone into Israel. Shame on you.
[–]A_User -4 points ago
I'd be willing to bet that you've never set foot outside of your own country let alone into Israel.
I married someone in another country and flew 2000 miles to live with them.
Nice assumption, moron.
[–]Oh_stop_it_you 2 points ago
Was it Israel?
[–]A_User -1 points ago
No, but I have a cousin who was born there.
[–]mantotoo 12 points ago
"A few people do something, let's blame the entire country of millions of people for it."
[–]A_User 2 points ago
A majority of voters elected the prick still bent on carving up the west bank, so we can't exactly call its population faultless, can we?
[–]newsettler 4 points ago
A majority of voters elected the prick
Natanyahu was not elected by the majority of the votes,
[–]mantotoo 1 point ago
Carving up? Not really. The settlements still only take up a tiny percent of the land in the West Bank. Too, did he say he was going to do it before he was elected?
[–]Oh_stop_it_you 2 points ago
Only exposure to America is watching clips of Westboro Baptist Church.
"America: Hates fags and its own soldiers"
[–]Username_Storytime 1 point ago
Well, it is an apartheid state
[–]Anon49 1 point ago
When my friends mother was pregnant, she went to the US for vacation. They had a early birth and he ended up being born in the US instead of Israel.
Now he's a US citizen and I cannot become one.
STOP AMERICA APARATHEID
(The only apartheid in Israel are the immigration laws. Muslims have 100% full rights if they are Israeli civilians)
[–]mantotoo 0 points ago
Not really. The policies used in the West Bank are still not rooted in racial seperation, and the policies in the West Bank and Israel proper are not really comparable to Nazi Germany.
[–]Username_Storytime 1 point ago
apartheid state == nazi germany
[–]mantotoo 1 point ago
And Israel != apartheid state, and hopefully a two-state solution will come someday soon.
[–]Nuke_It[S] 127 points ago
What bothers me the most is all those young Israeli's behaving like this. The young are supposed to be more progressive...those will be future leaders and heads of families.
EDIT: I downvoted comment from A_User. Nazi Germany was way worse in many regards, but elements of fanatic fascism do exist in Israel... Just no where near as prevalent or as bad. BTW, Both Stormfront and JIDF would be downvoting you because they hate each other and you set them = to each other.
[–]jordy240 230 points ago
What bothers me the most is that the US government has given over 3 trillion dollars to Israel since 1948.
[–]eraserhill 144 points ago
thank you. PLEASE STOP FUNDING THIS PIECE OF SHIT COUNTRY!
[–]LakeShoreDrive1 2 points ago
What makes you think it's a piece of shit country? You could easily flip the script and show some Westboro Baptist Church video and the US looks terrible. The hate in your all caps is strong. Let it flow through you.
[–]eraserhill -3 points ago
we're not talking about the USA right now so excellent non-point and off topic remark. stfu. thanks.
[–]Anon49 -1 points ago
Nothing like the smell of butt hurt 12 year old Americans in the morning.
Suck it up faggots. Obama needs those Jewish votes.
[–]eraserhill -1 points ago
jewish population is about 2% of america, so no he doesn't. They, however, sure need our money to fight over their holy bullshit that no one but them and other retarded religious people care so much about.
[–]Anon49 2 points ago
American presidents support Israel either for the Jewish votes, or for stability/Storng ally in the middle east for oil/in case things get bad.
they
I'm Israeli, And I'm Atheist. We're more Secular than you think. I could even go as far as Israel's Main cities are more secular than the US. Calling our war "Holy" Is an insult, I'm in the IDF to protect my country from Terrorists/Rain of rockets, Not to fight over "Land god promised".
You're are so fucking misinformed it hurts. Sounding like one of those 17 year old kids that posts on /r/atheism who think they know everything. (And I just checked your history finding this to be true).
We don't need your money. Sure, it helps, But it's defently not as much as you think.
[–]eraserhill -1 points ago
send the money the fuck back then and while you're at it every piece of equipment you're using to murder everyone that isn't jewish. your country created those "terrorists" so honestly I don't want to fucking hear about your service for shit. Let's pretend like you aren't fighting over some fucking promised land and then please answer me why people might be shooting rockets at you?
[–]Anon49 1 point ago
every piece of equipment you're using to murder everyone that isn't jewish.
This is Adorable.... unless you're over 17, in this case It's sad.
Both ways, I'm glad to hear this is the average knowledge of a Redditor.
Edit: Andddd 3 more minutes on your profile proves to me you're a little brat. I won't be wasting my time here anymore. Goodday kid.
[–]sammy1857 -12 points ago
Hey, if you think Israel is a piece of shit country, I doubt you'd have words for these- Afghanistan, Pakistan, Egypt, Sudan.... looks like you've got got your work cut out for you, buddy (though I'd first suggest trying to think why the US and other countries even bother with foreign aid, to Israel or otherwise, before going on a campaign. But that's just me.)
[–]ultrafudge 5 points ago
You both seem to not understand that hate is the fuel for racism...
[–]merdock379 2 points ago
All those countries are shit stains. That was easy!
[–]bk082 -6 points ago
You are basing this off of one freaking video. You are a piece of shit human being and citizen to do that
[–]uncommonpanda 29 points ago
Israel makes great terroist bait.
[–]deathcapt -3 points ago
honestly, it's legit, as long as the USA uses isreal as a proxy to piss of arabs, the terrorists will continue to attack isreal as a proxy attack on America. It's ingenious.
[–]Hexodam 10 points ago
That only makes sense when you think that having enemies is normal.
[–]deathcapt 1 point ago
well, for big countries, they will always have enemies.
[–]fru87 -3 points ago
Its not terrorism its resistance.
[–]timemoose 17 points ago
3 trillion? Source?
edit: 64 years so... ~$46 billion a year in today's dollars? Doesn't pass the sniff test.
[–]jordy240 -1 points ago
[–]timemoose 25 points ago
So it's this one guy Stauffer. And he's attributing things like the Strategic Petroleum Reserve and the cost of recessions to Israel. Silliness.
Regardless, we have not "given Israel" anywhere near $3 Trillion. It's like $120 billion (Pg. 1) nominally.
edit: updated with correct link.
[–]aesir33 -1 points ago
how much are nukes worth I wonder?
[–]timemoose 2 points ago
Dunno, but you should probably ask Quel est le prix?
[–]Desenko 0 points ago
120 billion is still waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much.
[–]timemoose 4 points ago
Could be but there's no reason to use nonsense numbers - it just undercuts your credibility when it comes to your larger points.
[–]mxxz 0 points ago
Inflation
[–]timemoose 7 points ago
Yeah... no. Even if all $120 billion were given to Israel in 1950 (which it wasn't and it's not even close) that would still only be ~$1.1T
[–]TheMortalOne 1 point ago
And it's the currently rising right wing party "Jewish home" that's trying to eliminate it.
[–]taylorlongboard -1 points ago
Only because we need them as an ally. If there were another piss and shit country we wouldn't give them anything. Israel is not a place you want pissed at you.
[–]sammy1857 -3 points ago
You don't fund a country because you like/dislike its people- look at Saudi Arabia. Overlooking the fact that Israelis are generally rather pleasant, educated people, and that this video of a dozen people is as representative of an entire country as Westboro Church is of the United States (i.e. not at all- which we all know but choose to ignore because fuck logic and reason when Israel's, involved, right?), I suggest you take some time to think about why the US government would send aid to Israel for so many years- no Jews control the government conspiracy theory, no AIPAC (whose influence has been frighteningly overblown) runs Washington shpiel (if you really want to know which lobbies have a big stake in Washington I'd start with the top twenty, which AIPAC doesn't even reach)- just think why our government, who (like any other country) would never do anything that's not in its best interests, would ally with Israel as they do.
You might find out that, in general, aid to Israel is mostly used for purchasing from the American defense sector- that means funding Israeli/American co-development projects (such as Iron Dome, which gives America certain legal rights to what would have otherwise been solely Israeli technology), and effectively helping keep the US defense sector afloat- 75% of all of Israel's aid money goes right back into the US economy. This system is pretty much designed to keep Israel reliant on US weaponry (as opposed to producing their own and competing with the US, or buying from Russia etc., a reliance that conveniently turns into political leverage) while keeping American contractors happy, and at the same time ensuring the US has a solid military outpost and a counter-intelligence partner in a historically hostile (see Arab-Soviet partnerships), oil-rich region.
And I'm just scraping the top of the barrel- imagine what you could come up with if you tried.
[–]music4mic 1 point ago
Exactly!
[–]goal2004 32 points ago
all those young Israeli's
These are the worst kind of young Israelis you can find. They pretend to be patriotic in doing military service, but usually forget to mention that they only serve for period of 15-50% of what the general population is required to.
Kippa-Sruga people are usually fucking nuts, but are a very small part of the population. These idiots are not a majority, but they've been seeing intermittent resurgences occasionally.
[–]yuze_ 52 points ago
Fundamentally, the Jewish people believe they are superior by their birthright drawing similarities to "Aryanism" and we all know what this ideology entails. So that's one factor, next they're taught/absorb from a young age the world is against them, anti-Semitism is rampant throughout history and the world today, they're surrounded by hostile states and segregated from their next-door neighbour Palestinians who seemingly ALSO want to kill all Jews and take over their "God-given" nation.
There's a saying whereby "victors write history" or something and technically speaking the Jews are victors in this day and age,
inb4 holocaustconsidering that they've established their Zionist state (God's will of course), receive funding with no questions asked and are able to violate UN treaties/international law without hesitation - under these circumstances these people see themselves as untouchable. A little criticism and you'll get the anti-Semite card thrown at you.
Alongside this, we're all aware of the media bias in the US - in Israel however it's blatant bias, there's no other way that the state could paint a better picture about anything other than through lies, deceit and out of context sound bites. The masses are propagandized to follow the states mantra from the earliest days. Then you need to consider the global downturn and how it's affecting Israeli economy/politics, the youth are disenfranchised like everywhere else in the world and it's common during these times for them to turn to more extremist ideologies/parties.
[–]music4mic 4 points ago
Very well said.
[–]javahawk -1 points ago
This is NOT very well said. The majority of jews do NOT consider themselves superior by their birthright. This is horseshit.
[–]sammy1857 -6 points ago
Fundamentally, the Jewish people believe they are superior by their birthright drawing similarities to "Aryanism" and we all know what this ideology entails.
Wtf??? I didn't even bother reading the rest of your comment- just no. Twelve fucking upvotes??? What is wrong with this website??
[–]obliterationn 0 points ago
learn more about the jewish religion
[–]sammy1857 -4 points ago
I do know about the Jewish religion, seemingly much more then you- you're the one saying shit like "Jewish people believe they are superior" (probably you thinking you know what "chosen nation", which just means Jews were chosen to carry the burden of the torah, actually means), falsely trying to make it seem like Jews have some sort of superiority complex, which is stupid even considering rudimentary facts like the rates of Jewish intermarriage (superior to their non-Jewish spouses, duh) and high Jewish presence in the fields of medicine/technology (working to help better mankind, irregardless of race or religion).
You're the one saying stuff like Zionists think they got their state through "God's will", when anyone who knows anything about Zionism will know that, first and foremost, it is a secular ideology, just as irreligious as its founders were.
You're also the one saying that in Israel, unlike anywhere else in the world where it's just bias, the media straight out lies (overlooking the fact that Israel has some of the most transparent press in the Middle East, if not the world, with plenty of media sources that straight out blast their own country at every turn).
You're the one who needs to learn more, especially about Judaism and Israel (as you seem so oddly fascinated by them) and to realize you sounds like an uneducated fool mouthing off about things you comically know nothing about.
[–]TheBloodening -4 points ago
Ad hominem attacks, false superior moral positions, direct conflict with one of the founders of cultural Zionism and academically most credited scholar today. (Noam Chomsky) I'd say YOU'RE the shill and don't know what you're talking about. Do some research before you spout personal, regurgitated attacks and people won't laugh at you as much...
[–]Anon49 -1 points ago
I'm Jewish. And from Israel. Israelis don't believe themselves to be superior.
Is r/videos full of 12 year olds or something?
[–]l30 4 points ago
Technically they are being progressive, they're just progressing in an awful, awful direction.
[–]throweraccount 10 points ago
Probably all of the inbreeding has brought on mental illness.
[–]lost_in_trepidation 2 points ago
Honestly, this is why I think america is great. Racial diversity usually makes people smarter and more attractive.
[–]mrmeth 4 points ago
I think you're getting a litte carried away
[–]throweraccount 1 point ago
It sure does, genetic diversity allows for bad genetic genes to be replaced with the good ones of the partner. It gives the offspring a chance. But if there is no other option besides the bad gene because it's all still part of the same old stagnant gene pool then you get that gene more times then not.
[–]mitt-romney 8 points ago
I don't think you understand how genetics works.
[–]throweraccount 3 points ago
Shut up Mitt you lost, get over it.
[–]mitt-romney 0 points ago
I never mentioned the election...
[–]throweraccount 1 point ago
How about you enlighten us all about how I don't understand genetics, so we all forget about your loss. I'm interested myself.
[–]PhotoShopNewb 5 points ago
Correction. Contrary to popular belief the young are not innately more progressive. What they are is very impressionable and loud. Very loud. As you see here. The young are taught to be one way or the other through friends, families, and teachers. These superficial highly racist teens/ early twenties exist EVERYWHERE.
[–]x86_64Ubuntu 1 point ago
I can't imagine such a demonstration happening in the US, not even in racists as fuck Mississippi. The cops would tell you to go home or be arrested for disturbing the peace.
[–]VvJajavV 3 points ago
What bothers me is that you think the people in this video reflect that majority of Israel which is completely not true.
Edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGJ-D_nPM44
[–]drburropile 26 points ago
What bothers me is 2 of israels last 3 pms lead massacre teams that killed innocent people.
[–]the_goat_boy 15 points ago
And the female one threatened to bomb the world with nuclear weapons if Nixon didn't help her.
Edit: Golda Meir.
[–]seanbearpig 8 points ago
"In the 1973 Yom Kippur War, Arab forces were overwhelming Israeli forces and Prime Minister Golda Meir authorized a nuclear alert and ordered 13 atomic bombs be readied for use by missiles and aircraft. The Israeli Ambassador warned President Nixon of “very serious conclusions" if the United States did not airlift supplies. Nixon complied. This is seen by some commentators on the subject as the first threat of the use of the Samson Option."
The very definition of a rogue nuclear state.
[–]colefly 2 points ago
what bothers me is this rash
[–]Datum -6 points ago
Still, I have provided links to polls prove that the majority of Israelis consider Africans as cancer.
This video is a response to yours:
http://youtu.be/sZ5-91kUu98
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CM0CvU4fync
[–]VvJajavV 1 point ago
My video was a response to the OP video.. I can also post more videos of Israeli demonstrations against the occupation..
[–]Datum -4 points ago
Yes, that's why I said: "Still, I have provided links to polls prove that the majority of Israelis consider Africans as cancer."
Do you want the link?
[–]HanzoTheRazor -2 points ago
what bothers me is your phrasing is exactly the same as the rest of the JIDF posters on this thread. use some creativity, ffs.
[–]zodar 1 point ago
*Israelis
[–]Anon49 0 points ago
What bothers me the most is all those young Israeli's behaving like this. The young are supposed to be more progressive...those will be future leaders and heads of families.
What bothers me is that you believe this video to be the majority of us. Your hate is ignorant like theirs.
[–]Nostrovia70 -16 points ago
Have you seen today's generation? It's not just Iraeli's. This entire generation of people is proof that de-evolution is very real.
[–]formerly_LTRLLTRL 16 points ago
Relax. That's not the case. We've got the same idiots that every other generation had, you just see them more because technology has given them a wide-reaching voice like never before (YouTube, Facebook, twitter, etc.).
[–]glassiconion -3 points ago
In the days of the internet nothing can increase, only gain more coverage.
But that is only because of simple blanket statements like this one being touted as fact almost religiously.
[–]formerly_LTRLLTRL 0 points ago
What do you mean exactly? What blanket statement?
[–]glassiconion 4 points ago
"This isn't new, it's just more widely reported."
It is actually true in instance, but I see this said about all sorts of things it does not apply to.
[–]formerly_LTRLLTRL 1 point ago
OK, I understand. I agree that it doesn't apply to everything. But like you said, it's true in this instance. Idiots generally have the loudest voices, and now that they can reach the world, it appears that we're an overall less educated, more prejudiced generation. When that simply isn't true.
[–]Ko0lHaNDLuKe -2 points ago
Would the opposite of "evolution" not be "regression"? Can anyone think of anything better?
[–]Nesemulator 5 points ago
More like "Stagnation". Evolution means change. It doesn't imply a positive or negative change. The positive/negative label is one applied by us and our subjective view.
[–]ElectReaver 6 points ago
Evolution is not something that can be good or bad, it simply is.
Biological evolution is the process that living organisms inherited characteristics change between successive generations.
It is a common misconception that evolving means becoming better.
[–]Ko0lHaNDLuKe 1 point ago
OK, that's interesting. Please excuse my earlier ignorance (I should have looked up the definition of "evolution") and thanks for the reply!
[–]coopsta133 1 point ago
What actually bothers me the most is how cute they look with their little curls yet are so full of hate and act tough guys. My first ever run in with a jew who had curls was me on the bus, a jew on bicycle in London, and he gave me the middle finger. I guess I just have developed a thing against curly jews because of that ^
[–]divinesleeper 9 points ago
I could understand if these were people who had experienced the hate during WWII, because it's hard not to give in to hate when you've known it all your life.
But these are young people, they have no idea what it was like back then. Maybe that is part of why they can behave like this. They feel entitled because of the past, but don't see they are becoming like it because they never actually had to go through it themselves.
Then again, racism happens everywhere. I don't know if it is so prevalent in israel as the title implies it is.
[–]puffthedragonborn 12 points ago
At one point they were kinda doing the nazi hand gesture.
[–]SeanHearnden 0 points ago
I don't get it, why do they hate Obama so much? Why the fuck are they taking about him changing stuff for them, why is it up to him anyway?
And this is my ignorance, but why were their accents like... not foreign sounding.
[–]filletsack 0 points ago
Why don't you have Reddit Gold already?
[–]rnofechm 10 points ago
Nazi Germany systemically murdered 6,000,000 Jews. Israeli individuals and Israel aren't systemically killing africans... Yes, some people in Israel are racist but this isn't Nazi Germany, this is more along the lines of a KKK rally. It is wrong to use this here. I have called out other Jews (I am Jewish and my grandmother is a holocaust survivor) when they were racist and said they are acting like Nazis (not jokingly) to the point they were embarrassed and apologized but this is not someone being a Nazi, this is people being racist. By your stupid standards, you're saying people like americans hundreds of years ago were Nazis? huh? 'murica.
[–]kohulme 2 points ago
This is how it all started, though. It wasn't just "Oh, it's a Tuesday? Let's gas some Jews". It was years of propaganda against them, a movement growing in numbers (like the video OP posted) which led to the tragic and deplorable acts of the Holocaust.
[–]Anon49 3 points ago
America = nazi Germany
I mean look at that KKK people!
[–]K1ngRippa 1 point ago
What you live in America now too? See you do it too.
[–]Anon49 1 point ago
Huh?
[–]Anon49 1 point ago
It's called SARCASM
[–]FluffyBulletz -3 points ago
just to enlighten you on the word "nazi"
the word means: nationalsozialist
this is...hm...a term for republican (a far right). so when someone says "go home, we don't want your kinds here" they act nationalsocialistic by definition.
murdering africans would be a criminal act and if done intensively enough it comes to the point of genocide.
this is a very delicate term, as of people always confusing the word "nazi" with its midwar stigma. and i'm not trying to sell the term below its value. but whenever someone says "i don't like blacks/jews/arabs/you name it" he is racist. if one says "i don't want anyone here that doesn't look like me" thats nationalsocialistic.
[–]A_User -3 points ago
Israeli individuals and Israel aren't systemically killing africans
No, but I wouldn't be surprised if they had labour camps full of palestinians in ten years time.
this is more along the lines of a KKK rally.
...Or a Hitler rally. Would 'Israel: The Weimar Republic' make you feel better? You'd be happy to know Israel looks that fucking close to gassing Palestinians?
when they were racist and said they are acting like Nazis (not jokingly)
this is not someone being a Nazi, this is people being racist
Way to completely contradict yourself. You've associated racism with Naziism, but for some reason this bit of racism isn't Naziism? Why? Just because its in Israel?
[–]dog_in_the_vent 5 points ago
Your antisemitism is showing. A few assholes storming around shouting things does not equal NAZI Germany.
[–]listentomyfarts 1 point ago
To call him an antisemite is overreaching. You could maybe say he's anti Israel.
[–]A_User -6 points ago
How do you think Nazi Germany started? You think they elected Hitler and the next day they were gassing Jews and putting them in ovens?
No. 10 years went by before they started doing that, and it was still Nazi Germany for all of those years, so I'll say it again:
Israel: Nazi Germany.
[–]dog_in_the_vent 6 points ago
I can't think of any country that doesn't have vocal assholes on the far right or left of the political spectrum.
By your logic, every country : Nazi Germany
[–]ShallWeHaveAFootRace 1 point ago
There are very few, if any, similarities between Israel and Nazi-era Germany. However, there are quite a few similarities between Israel and Apartheid-era South Africa. It helps neither side of the conflict to use inaccurate and emotive comparisons like yours.
[–]VvJajavV -3 points ago
This demonstration was a response to a rape of a 83 year old woman by a sudanese illegal immigrant in south Tel Aviv. A lot of africans come to Israel to seek jobs- not to find shelter, and every country deports illegal job immigrants. Israel does give shelter to those who actually needs it.
Is Sweden nazi germany too?
[–]chubs44 0 points ago
don't try to justify that fucking prick yelling at that lady in the grocery store in front of her husband
[–]VvJajavV 7 points ago
I don't, they suck.
[–]mjh1088 -2 points ago
Nobody want's to invoke Godwins law now do we?
[–]Psada 0 points ago
Well, it is a law.
[–]Rosiee -4 points ago
Comment Karma:25059 Yep, must be a douche
[–]A_User 1 point ago
Because karma means something, right?
[–]hitlerwasright1 -5 points ago
Exactly. Every time I hear about something happening in Israel (which seems to be at least once a week), it always involves the Jewish population persecuting another group of people; in fact I wouldn't be surprised at all if it was discovered that they have secret concentration camps of their own filled with Palestinians. It absolutely blows me away that they could treat other minority groups like this after what all their people had gone through in WWII. Perhaps we should have let Hitler finish what he started before shutting him down, at least then we wouldn't have to deal with these disgusting people.
[–]IHeartSoup 42 points ago
This is like saying fuck the entirety of America because of Westboro baptist church, or the entirety of England because of the BNP. but fuck it bash Israel all you want, you're opinions are about as valuable as those in the video.
[–]FuelUrMind 26 points ago
I went to school in Israel with Africans and Israeli students and not once did I witness racism. I find it ironic that this post is supposedly anti racism yet simultaneously make sweeping generalizations about a country based on one group of kids acting like punks.
[–]ratsoman2 8 points ago
this is a really great example. Its like if some sweedish people saw a video of the westboro baptist church and then went on a rant about how all of america hates fags and wants children to die in school shootings. Few on reddit seem to understand this is a minority, and if they do they just want to make israel look like shit
[–]FluffyBulletz -1 points ago
well, i do get your point, but the entirety of america does rally up AGAINST the WBC openly. the counterprotest and whatnot.
whenever there is a rightwing demonstration in germany, there are ALLWAYS at least 5times the amount of people counterprotesting.
i see no counterprotests in israel.
yet, i do not bash jews or citizens of israel in general. i condemn the acts these idiots in the video are doing.
from all the nations in the world, one would expect jews/israel to be more settled (no pun intended)
[–]SuperDrink 4 points ago
have you seen any protest in the video or just a group of 6 teens marching and screaming?
that party that represented there make some time provocation protest of about 50 people in arab populated areas and gets counter protests (not all the time because some times nobody bits on the provocation).
[–]Anon49 1 point ago
You know why you don't see counter protests against haridi in Israel? Because you're not from Israel you dumb fuck. These exist more than you think.
[–]FluffyBulletz 1 point ago
i'm talking about counterprotest "at the scene"
there is no way in germany (i'm aware of the irony, or maybe it's just a beneficial progress) a racial protest wouldn't have at least 3 times the mass on the counter side AT THE SCENE!
why does no1 go down on the street and tell them "THIS IS WHAT THE NAZIS DID TO YOUR ANCESTORS BACK THEN! YOU ARE REPEATING HISTORY!"
i'm not commenting on "all jews" i did in fact comment on "those fuckers" in the video!
[–]Bazooko 1 point ago
Yeah, you don't see counterprotests because of this little thing called confirmation bias (Translation: you're not looking very hard).
[–]FluffyBulletz 1 point ago
confirmation bias my ass!
i'm talking about counterprotest "at the scene"
i'm not commenting on "all jews" i did in fact comment on "those fuckers" in the video!
yes, not every jew is an asshole. same goes for muslims, yet no1 ever cares about them. it's all about your lobby and who stands behind you.
go ahead, be offended which is a bias on your part. you'r not open for an argument if there is room for that.
i'm not commenting on a bunch of jews, i'm commenting on a bunch of racists!
[–]Bazooko 1 point ago
So unless this specific protest has a counter protest on the scene, it's indicative of sweeping racism in the country? How is this any different from the equally problematic "where are the moderate Muslims"?
[–]FluffyBulletz 1 point ago
not the racism sweeping a country. more like LETTING racism sweep the country.
i can't stress enough how the nazis came into play. exactly like this. they started out small and no1 really cared, and then BAM auschitz...
you don't want people to think everyone is like that and you are true. but if you think those dudes in the video are in the wrong, then go and bitchslap them right on the scene. so people know there are still good people left that act.
just saying.
[–]supercali45 11 points ago
there are dumb racist people in all countries.. doubt they all think like this
[–]Late_Night_Grumbler 7 points ago
So many racists being upvoted in the thread about a video against racism. Makes no fucking sense.
[–]momser_benzona 63 points ago
This video shows a dozen or so assholes screaming racist insults, who most Israelis think are disgusting.
Israel is doing more than its fair share to help Africa. It has recognized refugees status legally for over 80,000 from war torn countries like Eritrea where the Israeli courts have ruled it is too dangerous to deport these people back to, so per capita, tiny Israel has taken in more African refugees than almost every any country in Europe the past few years.
In addition Israel does large scale agricultural aid projects across Africa, building high tech farms and training in Israel Africans by the 10s of thousands every year. Israel does more foreign aid in Africa including Muslim parts of Africa than many of the oil rich Arab countries do.
But the fact is Africa is over 30 million sq. kilometers and Israel is far less than 1000 times smaller at about 20 thousand sq. kilometers, so the solution to the billion people of Africa's horrific problems left over from European colonialism, such as war everywhere and 750 million living in the the worst poverty on Earth can not be expected to be all solved by little Israel.
[–]mavriksfan11 0 points ago
Oh, whatever. Those formd
[–]Coldhardt 1 point ago
Government != its people.
[–]momser_benzona 2 points ago
So the ship full of African refugees that was allowed to sit for 3 weeks broken down in the Mediterranean just off the coast of Italy 2 years ago, while according th the European Union Human Rights Rapporteur investigation NATO warships from 5 different European countries including Italy and France approached it, knew full well it was broken down and adrift without supplies but refused to even give them water, so 27 people, including women and children died of thirst, that does not represent the European people's extreme racism towards African refugees trying to get into Europe? I think it does.
[–]macnslaw 4 points ago
In the 80's worked with alot of African, Turkish, and Afgan people who were brought here by the US goverenment as a reward for helping fight against the Russians.I have never seen a more patriotic group of people in my life. More so than Americans. They all got Fucked.
[–]Illipsious 4 points ago
As a Jew this is fucking disgraceful. You'd think we'd have spent enough generations being immigrants who were expelled or murdered out of our homes to not hate immigrants.
They make Jews look bad, Israel look bad, and I can't imagine what its like for those people getting yelled at.
[–]otterpopsmd 4 points ago
When I was 18 I used to work in the malls selling cellphones. I was moved from mall to mall covering people's shift. I received an extra salary just to do this because all of the locations were under staffed.
Anyway, I found out that there are a shit ton of illegal Israeli immigrants here in my city. A lot of them work in the malls selling curling irons, bluetooth connectors for cars (when they were new), cell phone accessories, and other items from small kiosks. I worked in 8 or 9 malls so it was a shock to see so many young Israelis spread through the metropolitan area.
I would ask them where they came from. I already knew, but it was a conversation starter. To a person they all said they left Israel for the same reason. They were sick and tired of the hostility and blatant racism exhibited around the country. They felt that just being normal meant that they would not fit in. Most of them had done their military time and it made them sick. They had to leave to feel better.
They were nice people and excellent salespersons. I lost track of them, but in total I had met about 40 of them. They were the ones that taught me to listen to the authority, understand the message, but do not let them fool you into not thinking about it more.
[–]nocubir 0 points ago
and excellent salespersons.
Bless the Jews.... Even the nice ones, can sell ICE to ESKIMOS.. Love em'.....
[–]otterpopsmd 1 point ago
Lol. Just saw that I was reaffirming the stereotype. Not my intention, but yes these particular Jews were great. Also, most of them had never done anything like that before. Just jumped in and became ace salespersons.
[–]nocubir 0 points ago
Seriously curling irons? Who the fuck can sell a curling iron??? The answer is : A JEW!
I have a brother who is an ace salesman, who also happens to think the Jews can sell anything to anybody (he claims to have firsthand evidence) who will love this thread, I'm going to forward it to him.
Thanks for your great story.......
[–]hbarca 4 points ago
I hate to advertise, but if you want to do something to help African Refugees within Israel you can donate to the African Refugee Development Center. I've worked with them before, they are good people, but always low on funding. in case you are curious about these people, The vast majority of these people are from eritrea, a country notable for being the worst country in the world for free journalism. They live in a very slummy part of tel-aviv, around the central bus station. Lots of drugs and prostitution, but most do what they can to survive honestly. any help would be appreciated.
[–]Boom_Selecta 14 points ago
this is like 8 people doing this.
[–]BlackQuill 12 points ago
I live in south Tel Aviv. Not two blocks from my apartment is a neighborhood which, on any given day, you will see a majority Africans - Eritreans and Sudanese. They all go about their daily business, working, buying products like anybody else.
However, the reality of the situation is that the area, not the just that specific neighborhood, has become far more dangerous in the past few years than it has ever been. The incidents of rape and murder have shot up frighteningly and, sadly, a lot of the perpetrators are African immigrants. Just a last month an 83 year old woman, FUCKING 83, was raped in her own building for hours. Today it was reported that a man confessed to killing his wife because he thought she cheated on him. These aren't isolated incidents, and yes non-Eritrean/Sudanese residents of Israel also commit these type of crimes. But the crimes committed by criminal African refugees in Israel are an extension of the awful conditions they escaped when they fled from their homelands, where these atrocities, let's face it, were far more prevalent. Throw in the fact that Israel is a place where inter-racial/ethnic tensions already exist (as well as some of the most incredible yet downplayed inter-racial/ethnic harmony) and you will have some pretty outraged and violent reactions.
Many Israelis, I among them, don't think that Israel has to take it upon herself to absorb these many African refugees. Where are their former Colonial masters who packed up and left in the last century, where are their Muslim brothers in the Arab world? The first pretty much ignores them, the other enslaves them and worse. Soldiers serving near Egypt often hear gunshots and yelling from across the border with the Sinai.
Past governments have done a shit job acclimating these immigrants. Which is to say, they haven't. They put them in Tel Aviv, the middle of the country, in a city the like of which they have never been to and expected them to be alright. The fallout has only stirred up racism from the right-wing camp which happily gorges itself on this type of shit.
Still, I haven't scene people rage like this when hearing about racism in Britain, France, or...i don't know, Hungary. Nobody calls Britain out on its blatant racist legislation which allows for racial profiling of dark skinned people. Nobody calls France neo-Vichi because it disenfranchises Arabs and deports Gypsies. Is Hungary still as fascist as it was when it was the lap dog of Italy and Germany because it's third largest party is branded anti-semetic and anti-Roma.
No. Those countries don't have to "know better", but Israel does. As if all Israelis are a collective conscious that needs to make every decision based on what happened to It's ancestors. That shit right there is bigoted. It essentializes Israeli Jews, implying that we should have learned a lesson from all those centuries of persecution? As if all that suffering did us a favor, teaching us that hate is bad. That's a lesson that most humans know instinctively.
[–]hassani1387 -4 points ago
[–]BlackQuill 6 points ago
My goodness, he's linked to an haaretz article about a minority being discriminated against. I suppose this is proof that such a phenomenon only exists in Israel.
What's that, he's spamming another article about the Haredi Mizrahi party complaining about prejudice, despite the fact that they ride on the back of every right-wing government and receive stipends for doing nothing.
Well at least he's assuring us that Iran isn't a totalitarian dictatorship.
O, dear.
[–]jsshouldbeworking 7 points ago
This is a lot like showing pictures of a Westboro Baptist Church demonstration and saying that blatant homophobia in America is unbearable.
The "demonstrators" shown are a fringe group, not the mainstream.
[–]csm725 18 points ago
I understand Reddit loves to hate Israel, but thinking THIS is what the majority of Israelis are and that this is how they act is as ignorant as thinking all Americans are like the one in this video - and I know that isn't true.
I don't care what your political opinions are, but for fuck's sake, don't be an idiot.
[–]Bazooko 0 points ago
Wait, Israel isn't a hivemind? I'm confused.
[–]itamarhel 4 points ago
Itamar Heller 2 minutes ago You write such comments just because you do not live in Israel and you do not really need to defend it ... the people who protest in the video are a very small minority in Israel and does not reflect the opinion of all Israel....It's true that we have been exiled and need to get all deportees and understand them but you have to understand that part of Israel have a protective instinct against the Sudanese
[–]one4_420 5 points ago
Xenophobia is labeled as racism more often that not anymore. There is a distinction to be made.
[–]sdgfsvzvxf 49 points ago
Reddit can be disgraceful at times.
Israel: Nazi Germany.
It makes it extremely hard not to feel anti semitic
Nazi-Jews
At some point, I'm kinda sad Hitler didn't finish the job of exterminating the Jews. They should know better after being persecuted due to their race.
Stop supporting this Apartheid piece of shit
These cocksuckers took their lessons from the best, after all: Nazis and Americans.
i never though i would say this but it seems hitler had a point
Fucking seriously? These are the exact same people who parade around espousing "anti-Zionist" (in reality, thinly veiled anti-Semitism) views and cry when people call them out - "ohh any criticism of Israel is called anti-Semitic wahhh wahh".
Racism is universal social issue and one nobody has denied exists in Israel. People have also protested in favor of the refugees and to demand a halt to the plans to set up detention camps near the border with Egypt [who routinely shoots at them](www.bikyamasr.com/17086/egypt-shoots-two-sudanese-migrants/), where illegal immigrants - mostly from Sudan - cross over the Sinai and into Israel.
Not that this behavior is in anyway justified but in recent years, there have been massive floods of Eritrean and Sudanese refugees entering Israel, most of them go to Tel-Aviv where they have made parts of it unrecognizable - look what happened in England when people felt threatened by "foreigners" - the EDL popped up but counter demonstrations also happened. The UK is also a country living in peace where as Israel has lived in a perpetual state of conflict and hostility with the entire region and most of North Africa (Sudan is a big enemy of Israel) so given the context, there is nothing "unusual" or anything to suggest that the nation or Jews are racist - to do so is incredibly retarded and in itself, no better than those featured in the video.
Also the confirmation bias in here is hilarious. If this was a video from any other country, you'd all be saying "ahh that's terrible but it's just a minority of dickheads", nothing to the level of equating them to Nazi's or lamenting the failings of one of the most genocidal men in history.
What a bunch of degenerate morons you all are.
[–]pyrusmurdoch 19 points ago
It doesn't surprise me anymore. I remember seeing a video of some African American people assaulting a guy and the top comment was a single word "niggers" with no one calling it out.
And now a video sighting ugly intolerance with the top comments being more intolerant and less intelligent than the subject matter and people pointing out the irony are getting pushed to the bottom.
Reddit in general has been anti-Israel for as long as I can remember, the side was picked a long time ago and is now popular opinion that very few people want to speak out ageist because they know that it will just get down voted into oblivion.
[–]xenoposeidon 6 points ago
Fucking thank you. I was having a good day until I saw this thread.
[–]Nuke_It[S] 12 points ago
Ya, some comments are ridiculous and make me second-guess why I linked this video in the first place. People need to check their the emotional, biased (and many anti-Semitic/generalized) responses. The upvotes to those comments are probably from people with deep hatred of Jews or Israelis.
Edit: I did report many of those comments that crossed into 4chan status.
[–]lenush 12 points ago
Are you new to reddit?
[–]Nuke_It[S] 1 point ago
Ya, I have been on reddit for a couple weeks. Reddit seems to mirror most of the internet in regards to Israel/Jews/Antisemitism.
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[–]Nuke_It[S] 1 point ago
Nothing I said was anti-Semitic. You saying those things are anti-Semitic makes the word "anti-Semitic" sound like a joke rather than what it truly is (a la throughout Jewish history). Please stop taking the power of the word away...pretty soon people will assume that criticism of rightwing Israelis = antisemitic instead of true hatred of Jews (which many commenters in this thread APPEAR to be harboring).
I posted this so it would garner this type of reaction so our people (assuming you are Jewish) can condemn it and stop it from happening or growing.
[–]the_goat_boy -1 points ago
Fuck off, you cunt.
[–]leviirish 6 points ago
Thank you.
[–]LeapO 34 points ago
People generalising all of Israel from this video are as prejudice as the people in the video itself. Calling Israel "Nazi Germany" from the actions of of this small group of people is a ridiculous sensationalist statement and it is very sickening that it is even being upvoted. The views of the majority of Israel is very against this type of behaviour.
We can just as easily look at other countries and come to the same conclusion, for instance the BMP in the UK; a far right political party that holds demonstrations of similar aggression such as this. Very few countries are completely free from this type of thinking.
So please think before jumping to conclusions of entire nations. (Taken from the comments)
"Nazi Jews"
"Israel:Nazi Germany"
"Fuck Israel"
"Israel's behaviour is disgusting."
TLDR: This small group of people do not represent the majority of Israel's beliefs, please do not be so prejudice. No country is free from these type of views.
I do not condone the actions of the people in the video fyi.
[–]TahsinTekin -11 points ago
True, you shouldn't generalize people. But Israel makes this very hard, when the vast majority of them are actually indeed fucked up in the head. These people aren't a small group, there are lot's of jews like them. The world doesn't hate Israel because they are jewish, they hate Israel because of it's disgusting behaviour.
More videos like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jG6kJm-50k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRClRoKGRdU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkCBK4-5tRI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQVgwkjSzEw
Even New York isn't safe from these retards: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R611drTEHPA
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[–]Datum 6 points ago
Israel's population is roughly 7.8 million. 4 or 5 youtube videos of bad behavior
What if it's more than you tube videos, dominatrices, reports (NGO's), and many more? Yes, we can never say that the majority of the people are racist. Nor we can say that the majority are good. We can never tell unless we have poll results.
Hence,
52% of Israeli Jews agree: African migrants are ‘a cancer’
Source: http://www.timesofisrael.com/most-israeli-jews-agree-africans-are-a-cancer/
Two-thirds say Palestinians should not be allowed to vote if West Bank was annexed, while three in four favour segregated roads
Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/oct/23/israeli-poll-majority-apartheid-policies
59 percent of them (Jewish students at the secondary level and graduates from high schools) saw that Israel has to expel all immigrants from Africa.
Source: http://www.rohama.org/en/news/9022
[–]SuperDrink 5 points ago
Two-thirds say Palestinians should not be allowed to vote if West Bank was annexed, while three in four favour segregated roads Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/oct/23/israeli-poll-majority-apartheid-policies
that poll was bullshit and even Gideon Levi that published it admitted it (but only in Hebrew so he wont disturb the propaganda campaign he and Haaretz are having).
[–]Datum -4 points ago
Please provide a source. Also, I know how much "Zionists" hate Gideon Levi because he speaks the truth. Don't attack the carrier. Attack the massage.
[–]SuperDrink 2 points ago
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_2012_Yisraela_Goldblum_Fund_poll
The poll results were first published in Haaretz by Gideon Levy, initially with the following headline:’ Survey: Most Israeli Jews would support apartheid regime in Israel.’ Levy’s presentation stirred headlines round the world,[11] and was repeated [12] or taken up rapidly by several newspapers that same day, including The Independent,[13] Sydney Morning Herald[14] the Daily Telegraph,[15] and the Christian Science Monitor.[16] AFP excluded the word ‘apartheid’ and headlined its report ‘Israelis approve discrimination if West Bank is annexed’.[17] The following day, the Huffington Post.[18] the government-funded Russian news service, RT,[19] and The Guardian reported on Haaretz's poll, the latter placing the word ‘apartheid’ in inverted commas.[20] Within several hours of the Haaretz article, HonestReporting published a detailed critique of Levy’s presentation of the poll evidence.[21] which, as the controversy developed, Haaretz published a correction to five days later, changing the headline to ‘Survey: Most Israeli Jews wouldn't give Palestinians vote if West Bank was annexed,’ [22]
also Gideon 'sorry':
http://www.haaretz.co.il/opinions/1.1851780
[–]Datum -4 points ago
He must got some pressure from above to change the results. If you don't like this poll, just ignore it and use the rest.
[–]SuperDrink 4 points ago
if it doesn't fit my agenda it must be a conspiracy
[–]Datum -3 points ago
Who are you quoting?
[–]A_FluteBoy 5 points ago
Wait, wait, so because Israel doesn't want to accept refuges it is a bad country? I don't see america rushing to help all of the families that are displaced by drug wars in middle and southern America.
[–]We_Should_Be_Reading 2 points ago
True, you shouldn't generalize people. But [black people] make this very hard, when the vast majority of them are actually indeed fucked up in the head. These people aren't a small group, there are lot's of [black people] like them. The world doesn't hate [black people] because they are [black], they hate [black people] because of their disgusting behaviour.
Insert world star hip hop
True, you shouldn't generalize people. But [white people] make this very hard, when the vast majority of them are actually indeed fucked up in the head. These people aren't a small group, there are lot's of [white people] like them. The world doesn't hate [white people] because they are [white], they hate [white people] because of their disgusting behaviour.
Insert white pedophiles here.
Ad infinitum.
[–]pyrusmurdoch 0 points ago
This is not representative of a "vast majority".
[–]Nuke_It[S] 32 points ago
As an American Jew, this is absolutely shameful. I know the majority of Israel disdain this sort of behavior, but more and more of this racism is happening from settlers in the West Bank to Israeli Arabs to even darker skinned Jews.
[–]wortime 31 points ago
This has always made me wonder... "As an American Jew.." Then people proceed to talk about Israel. Or "their" people. Just because your religion is the same as someone else's, it's does not make you Israeli. Also, I agree why the FUCK do we give that much cash to a country that openly starts wars and fights with its neighbors?
[–]nobodygivesashit 11 points ago
As an American Jew, we are taught our entire lives that Israel is our true homeland, that we are not really American, and that all of our loyalty lies with Israel. We are often barraged with offers to buy us trips to Israel, often in hopes that we'll meet an Israeli and get married and stay there. Bolstering the population of Jews in Israel is a huge part of the schtick because they Arabs out-breed the Israeli Jews by a big margin.
[–]elgallopablo 10 points ago
Perhaps because they came up with the brilliant idea of putting up Israel in the middle of Palestine, which (weird!) was full of Palestinians, you make it sound as if Palestinians bred like rabbits. Ever considered that they are more simply because they are the ones that have been living there for thousands of years?
[–]nobodygivesashit 9 points ago
Palestinian Israeli women give birth to twice as many children, per vagina, as Jewish Israeli women do. It's just a fact, and I'm not arguing their right to do so.
[–]hassani1387 7 points ago
So do most people living in abject poverty
[–]JonathanZips 1 point ago
Radical religious beliefs are correlated with abject poverty. Science and mathematics leads to education and a lowered birth rate, spending all day praying and trying to commit jihad against restaurants and movie theaters does not encourage a society to move forward economically or socially.
[–]hassani1387 1 point ago
And yet the standards of living for Iranians massively improved after the 1979 Islamic Revolution, including massive improvements in literacy, lowered birth rate, and today Iran is considered to be the fastest growing country in the sciences and is a world leader in stem cell and nanotech
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18546-iran-showing-fastest-scientific-growth-of-any-country.html
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/15/iran-at-forefront-of-stem-cell-research/?page=all
[–]pakiman47 4 points ago
while that may be true, a simple look at the demographic history of the region since let's say 1900 will verify that what elgallopablo is saying is true.
[–]Biding_Time -1 points ago
Fuckin' a, that's the simplest, most profound response to that argument I've ever heard. And I've been touting the, "it was Palestine first" bit for a while now.
Well done.
[–]Nuke_It[S] 5 points ago
I feel like Israel (recently) is doing a horrible job of representing my heritage. I hope Israel finds its true self again.
[–]iunnox 0 points ago
I hope Israel finds its true self again.
Palestine?
[–]Datum -3 points ago
Why are you getting downvoted? You are a Jew. You think that Israel is doing a horrible job to represent your heritage. There is nothing wrong with this statement.
[–]FluffyBulletz 7 points ago
well, this is why the world sucks.
see, even as a jew you can't just point out facts. no hate, just facts. he is ashamed of an act someone else did, with the fear of being seen as them.
like after WWII every german was titled a nazi. and who is gonna blame the namecallers, right?
19 muslims highjack 4 planes and have a blast? every single muslim is now a terrorist wherever he/she might live. is that right?
it's the 21st century for crying out loud. who said jewish people can't be racist pricks?
problem is tho, you can't say a negative statement when there are jews involved. if the world would be like reddit, jews would be your cats. you just get downvoted to hell for saying "that specific cat is horrible"
they don't ask what that cat has done to deserve your claims, it's a standard offended reply like "you are a horrible person for not liking a cat. cats are nice and fluffy and cute and awwwwwwwww. only a monster doesn't like cats!!!"
i have to stick with OP on this one. may them be jews or unicorns. if you act like a fucktard, you deserve to be called out on it. period.
but then again, i've seen OP generalizing all the arab countries as "bad"
maybe everyone has some form of hypocracy?
[–]IHeartSoup -7 points ago
HHHHHNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGG ONE GROUP OF PEOPLE REPRESENT THE ENTIRE NATION FUCK ME IN THE HEAD WITH A DRILL PLEASE
[–]pcbuildname 0 points ago
I THINK THIS GUY IS DEAD.
[–]wortime 0 points ago
Sounds more like a cult to me. "Out breeds"? I think Jews need to get a grip.
[–]hassani1387 -2 points ago
And yet you're supposed to be upset if someone refers to "dual loyalties"
[–]sammy1857 -1 points ago
As an American Jew, we are taught our entire lives that Israel is our true homeland, that we are not really American
Wtf? My Jewish American friends are some of the most patriotic US citizens I know. I agree that many Jewish people feel a connection with Israel, and see it as a spiritual home of sorts, but they have an extreme loyalty to their first country, America, that you're blatantly disregarding.
[–]nidarus 1 point ago
Also, I agree why the FUCK do we give that much cash to a country that openly starts wars and fights with its neighbors?
Fun fact: with the possible exception of the Al Aqsa martyrs in the 2nd intifadah, Israel has never fought an enemy that didn't want to annihilate it. So yeah, if you were surrounded by people who want you dead, you'd be "fighting with your neighbors" too.
And if you actually want an answer: the US pays both Israel and Egypt (yes, you paid the corrupt Mubarak dictatorship and now you'll be paying the MB theocracy nearly as much as Israel) to not fight each other, because the last time they did, it nearly started WW3.
[–]sdgfsvzvxf -5 points ago
why the FUCK do we give that much cash to a country that openly starts wars and fights with its neighbors?
Yeah, no idea why the US gives money to Egypt.
[–]wortime 2 points ago
Oops forgot about Egypt.
[–]hassani1387 1 point ago
Egypt is actually a populous and poor country that can use aid. Israel isn't. And yet more than half of the US foreign aid budget goes to Israel.
[–]Datum -1 points ago
The typical twist. We are only talking about Israel right now. Would you like to tell us why does "Israel" take so much money? Israel only.
[–]hassani1387 -2 points ago
Israel is also the beneficiary of special tax laws so that contributions to israeli charities are deductible from US taxes.
[–]Electrifired 1 point ago
Just because your religion is the same as someone else's, it's does not make you Israeli.
Actually, correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe you're entitled to Israeli citizenship if you can prove that you're a Jew, so although they might not be Israeli, they're not restricted from being so.
[–]PeonSanders 2 points ago
Israel has been drifting further and further right for some time now.
[–]nidarus 1 point ago
I know the majority of Israel disdain this sort of behavior
Then why didn't you say anything (that is, except for support) to the guy whose comment literally was "Israel: Nazi Germany"?
[–]yourshoesarewellshit 3 points ago
When you say you're an American Jew, do you mean you are a person born in America who practices Judaism, or that your mother is Jewish? How come people say they are Jewish but aren't religious? Are Jews a 'race' of their own? Genuinely confused here.
[–]interior-space -5 points ago
Answer: its a racist religion.
[–]shakaman_ -2 points ago
I hate the state of Isreal, in everything they have done in my lifetime they have acted appallingly. The hypocrisy of 'I was born here this is my country' coming from Jews in the middle east is absurd.
Throughout history, Jews have been victims of racist abuse and been driven from land after land after land. And then upon receiving their own nation, their own space of land they act absolutely awful.
It makes it extremely hard not to feel anti semitic
[–]n4mu 9 points ago
It makes it extremely hard not to feel anti semitic
Not it does not. It should not.
Being an anti-semite by seeing this sort of stuff is insanity. One has nothing to do with the other. This is precisely the problem with anti-semitism, racism and other forms of simplified generalised hate.
[–]nobodygivesashit 1 point ago
I used to think that, but I am perpetually shocked at close friends who, somehow, think that I am a "safe" person to say this racist shit to. My very close Jewish friends are appalled at the racism they see in every-day Americans, but somehow think it's okay to be a racist Jew. People that I've known and admired for decades will allude to Arabs being inferior people, unable to learn, or morally corrupt based on nothing more than being Arab. I rarely hear any of it based on differences in religious ideals (i.e., "Muslims are bad"), it's always about Arabs, and sometimes American blacks.
[–]hassani1387 -2 points ago
"Israel is for the white man" - Israel's interior minister Eli Yishai
http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2012/06/22/note-to-refugees-from-south-sudan-israel-is-for-the-white-man/
[–]elgallopablo 1 point ago
If they actually disdained it they would have an apartheid state ruled by a racist coalition.
[–]poorfag -34 points ago
as an American Jew
Yeah nah, fuck you.
This is exactly what I mean when I talk about the milky Americanized Jews, if you don't mind I'll screencap this post and put it into my collection of cultural marxists who think that a sliced dick gives them an opinion on anything at all.
[–]x86_64Ubuntu 6 points ago
Whoa !
[–]TheIncontrovertible 8 points ago
That doesn't make his point any less valid.
[–]poorfag -3 points ago
That would be funny if I was being anti-Semitic, instead of anti-leftist spineless Jews.
There's absolutely nothing in this world that makes me angrier than this, leftist diaspora Jews desperately trying to fit with whoever is listening (in this case, reddit) by running to the extreme left. It's demeaning, it's pretty much like seeing Jews saying "hey, look how leftist we are! Look how progressive and fair we are! Look, we are even willing to bash Israel while making it very clear that we are Jews! Our country! Look, you guys are even upvoting me! Why would you try to holocaust a race this nice?" it's incredibly disgusting, it's pathetic and it makes my blood boil.
t. Proud Jew who doesn't need approval from you or anybody else.
[–]Nuke_It[S] 1 point ago
You are very, very mistaken if you think I harbor the opinions I have to "fit in." I sincerely care for Israel's future...long future. What you rightwingers are doing is what Bush Jr. did to the U.S. Sure, I don't know how it feels to live in Israel...but tell me again why subsidizing settlers in the Westbank is helping Israel? it is not. They are being used as political pawns, and peace becomes less and less likely and the one-state solution (Apartheid or Pal majority) becomes more realistic. The world will not sit idly by for a mass expulsion or continued colonization of Palestinian land. We agreed 67' borders with mutually accepted land swaps...the UN agreed...Arab league agrees. Nothing could help Israel more than peace. I truly believe that. Likud is as bad as Hamas.
[–]hassani1387 -4 points ago
Ethiopian women claim Israel forced them to use birth control before letting them immigrate http://www.timesofisrael.com/ethiopian-women-claim-israel-forced-them-to-use-birth-control-before-letting-them-immigrate/
"Birth policy in Israel over the years reflects a class-based and separatist agenda towards the various social groups in Israel. In her study about the differential birth policies in the state of Israel in the 1960s and 1970s, Yali Hashash, claims that the state encouraged birth among Ashkenazi (western), middle class families, and tried to decrease birth among Mizrachi and poor families. We claim here that a similar policy is currently practiced towards the Ethiopian community."
http://www.isha.org.il/upload/File/%D7%93%D7%A4%D7%95%20%D7%90%D7%A0%D7%92%D7%9C%D7%99%D7%AA.pdf
[–]em483 11 points ago
Okay, I am going to try to explain a little bit of what is going on here.
In Israel, there are two main types of African immigrants that you will find:
First are the Ethiopian Jews that were brought in on planes out of Ethiopia by the Israeli government and granted citizenship. While these immigrants still often live in poverty (higher than the general population) they do not burden the state too much and are legal.
Secondly though, there are the Sudanese immigrants. These are illegal immigrants and are brought in by coyotes not unlike the conditions of south and central americans entering the states. Just brutal and expensive and inhumane conditions. However, once they make it into Israel, life is not much better for them. In Israel, there are strict penalties against hiring Sudanese day-laborers (Upwards of ~5,000 NIS, or $1,000+ IIRC). So, with no other alternative for legal employment, many of the Sudanese have resorted to a life of crime (and who can blame them) stealing stuff, breaking into houses, etc. All in the name of feeding and supporting themselves and their families.
What is likely being protested here is not dissimilar to protests against illegal immigrants in the United States, and is not simple racism. This is not exactly a clear cut black and white dichotomy, but is a rather complex problem. In the end though, saying it is "Blatant Racism" is not entirely accurate, even though it could possibly be racism just masked by these economic motives, which is a problem in every country, not just Israel.
[–]NOT_ACTUALLYRELEVANT -1 points ago
It is blatant racism. They have no idea where any of the black people they see are from, yet they're yelling at people to get out of their country.
Also, the idea that they should be allowed to harass any black person because there are Sudanese immigrants that are criminals is ridiculous, and still racist.
Also, the Sudanese immigrants are not all illegal immigrants.
This would be like somebody going up to a hispanic person and telling him/her to get out of America. It's just racist.
[–]em483 2 points ago
They are yelling at them to go back to Sudan. This implies that they are Sudanese, no? I do not mean to say that they are not racist. I just wanted to shed some light on the situation. The problem may very well be racism, I just want to point out that there are other factors in the problem.
The harassment on the other hand is a different situation. It is not as if they are being harassed by the government itself (At least no more severely than other governments "harass" illegal immigrants by arresting and deporting them). Just because a handful of people are harassing some Sudanese people does not make it institutionalized racism. Racist people exist in any country.
No, I suppose not all Sudanese immigrants are illegal. A large number of them are though (40,000+ if I recall correctly), significantly more than legal ones.
The hispanic population is perhaps not the best parallel, but I would say that it is the most relatable for me (and perhaps yourself). The key differences being the larger amount of legal hispanic immigrants in the states, along with the variety of countries of origin. While it is possibly racism at its core, there are many other factors that cause Americans to dislike illegal immigrants, the same as in Israel. Whether justified or not.
PS, I am by no mean advocating the aggressive nature of this video, and in fact am not close enough to the situation to have a fully formed opinion. I am just trying to show the other side of the argument.
[–]btgoss 2 points ago
Trying to explain what is happening is missing the point.
Specific people are being targeted based on who they are, it isn't acceptable when it happens here in America (well, maybe in Arizona and Texas, but that is a different America.) It shouldn't be acceptable in Israel.
[–]em483 2 points ago
I am not defending these actions. I am simply portraying the other, lesser known, part of the situation. I certainly don't think what is happening in the video is okay by any means, nor would something like that be acceptable in America. Likely, these are simply racists (which exist in every nation), however, I just wanted to make people aware of the economic factors that also lead to the disdain for the Sudanese.
[–]btgoss 1 point ago
I think that is the problem. The oppressor always has "other factors" that lead to a group being singled out for mistreatment that, to their way of thinking, make those actions justified. It is just not something that can be justified.
[–]em483 2 points ago
You act as if they had invented these other factors as an excuse. The fact is that many countries deal with illegal immigrants. The Sudanese are not being "oppressed" as you say. They are being deported. It is not exclusively an Israeli thing to deport people.
[–]btgoss 1 point ago
I was using broad terms to point out that this thing happens in many other places. Oppressor was used to equate the people making the rules.
The economic factors are created. If there was a legal way into the country that provided people the opportunities that they need to earn a living there would be no reason to turn to crime. But when you create a situation where the only way to be in the country is to be there illegally, you are creating ( or at least assisting in creating ) the problem.
It happens here in the states. Illegal immigrants serve a function of doing very low cost manual labor. If we had a system that actually taxed their income as the price paid to be here legally (like a work visa) we would have to see those costs transferred to the consumer. My lawn wouldn't be $20 a week to cut each week if my landscaper had to pay taxes. So we look the other way, that is creating the problem.
I was trying to bash the actions and not the country where the actions are taking place, because as you said they happen in many places.
[–]mfanning1990 7 points ago
The majority of Jews in Israel are very good people. Racism comes from misinformation and a lack of education.
This man does not show the majority of Israel. He is one man who is best described as this
Throughout the 18th Knesset session, he struggled to bring attention to the growing number of Sudanese who he blamed for increasing crime rates and causing other problems for local residents. In June 2011, to draw attention to what he saw as the growing illegal alien problem, he bused 40 Sudanese nationals to a prestigious pool in northern Tel Aviv, provided them with new bathing suits and paid for their entrance.
Seems like a pretty good thing to draw attention to if you are looking for a hard stance to base your campaign around.
Ben Ari opened his external Member of Knesset office in the south Tel Aviv neighborhood in which he grew up
South Tel Aviv is poor and working class
The most occurring places where nationalist and zenophobic demonstrations tend to take place and notions are cultivated are in poor working class areas, as seen in the UK with the BNP, in Greece with Golden Dawn.
This link I believe accurately describes racism and class structures around the world.
Racism, is a technique that is maintained, to distract working people from examining closer the machinations of the state, both at home and abroad and to guide blame and the frustrations of working people, towards other working people, rather than towards the source of the problem.
Why would any white working class person, unless indoctrinated by state education and bias propaganda, waste there time and effort in pursuing the idea that black people are stealing the wonderful jobs that they should have, or that our country is being over run by foreign emigrants and asylum seekers who are pretending to be persecuted in order to stay in Britain.
Here he is Desecrating a holy text
[–]theillegaldanish 8 points ago
Not going to get carried away with the whole generalising malarkey that always follows these videos. But it does bother me that this group are behaving like this. Forgetting the not so distant past or understanding that these closed minded nationalist sentiments can lead to the worst kinds of evil...
[–]pedo_troll 7 points ago
This is one group of Hooligans harassing people, not representative at all of normal people in Tel Aviv. The comments in this thread are as disgusting as anything in this video.
[–]okeren 9 points ago
this is NOT israel, this is a group of radicals. this is amazing though, I never knew. damn, the people they were yelling at probably weren't even sudanese but ethiopians.
I do wish people would not judge a whole country remotely by a video. any state, as a social circle, is comprised from many smaller circles. talking about any country as one whole body is a way of thought that encourages alienation, the very same thing that is the origin of bigotry and racism.
HOWEVER there IS some indoctrination going on here, in schools, in the army, of blind patriotism fueled by sentimental religious-themed bullshit, paranoia and peer pressure. judaism does present the jewish people as a chosen people and I keep hearing that successful jewish people are smarter because they're jewish.
perhaps there's room for an anti-racism rally, any israelis out here wanting to make something out of this?
[–]btgoss 3 points ago
Good luck with that, changing a culture is the hardest thing to do.
[–]TahsinTekin 31 points ago
Why the fuck is the US still supporting Israel? Israel and Canada are the only ones that support Israel. Even the EU realized that Israel is a rogue state. Stop supporting this Apartheid piece of shit
[–]dannytt 6 points ago
I've thought about this for quite some time, and there are two reasons. Israel/Jews have HUGE amounts of influence in Washington, and two, the U.S. support of Israel will force the region to be in a perpetual state of turmoil, which can only help the U.S.
[–]sammy1857 12 points ago
Well, I suggest you think about it some more, and take the ridiculous "Jews control Washington" charge out- Washington won't do anything that's not in its best interests, period, no matter how long people want to scream about AIPAC (whose influence has been frighteningly overblown). In general, aid to Israel is mostly used for purchasing from the American defense sector- that means funding Israeli/American co-development projects (such as Iron Dome, which gives America certain legal rights to what would have otherwise been solely Israeli technology), and effectively helping keep the US defense sector afloat- 75% of all of Israel's aid money goes right back into the US economy. This system is pretty much designed to keep Israel reliant on US weaponry (as opposed to producing their own and competing with the US, or buying from Russia etc., a reliance that turns into leverage) while keeping American contractors happy, and at the same time ensuring the US has a solid military outpost and a counter-intelligence partner in a historically hostile (see Arab-Soviet partnerships), oil-rich region.
Not everything is a conspiracy, you know.
[–]RedAero 2 points ago
Not to mention the fact that Egypt receives almost as much aid.
[–]palanoid 0 points ago
Stop voting congressmen who support Israel unconditionally.
In GOP and evangelicals are traditional supporters of Israel.
Among democrats, its other way around. Pro-Israel Democrats can be found in liberal and progressive part of the party. Many of those good guy representatives who reddit loves have are firmly on the AIPAC camp. For example Elizabeth Warren and Alan Grayson.
[–]MIstryMachine 1 point ago
You're asking people to vote left wing on a site where huge majority are left leaning anyway. You're kind of preaching to the choir.
[–]eblees 2 points ago
I don't get what he is asking for, but he is against Elizabeth Warren and Alan Grayson and reddit loves those two
[–]rdfox -7 points ago
Because oil.
[–]RedAero 1 point ago
Do you want an actual answer or are you posing a rhetorical question?
[–]leSwede420 -9 points ago
Why the fuck is the US still supporting Israel?
This is a completely meaningless term.
Israel and Canada are the only ones that support Israel.
What?
Even the EU realized that Israel is a rogue state
This also didn't happen.
[–]NorfolkSouthern -5 points ago
OIL OIL OIL
[–]VvJajavV 6 points ago
This demonstration was a response to a rape of a 83 year old woman by a sudanese illegal immigrant. A lot of africans come to Israel to seek jobs- not to find shelter, and every country deports illegal job immigrants. Israel does give shelter to those who actually needs it.
[–]Jared_from_SUBWAY 8 points ago
Sure, they're being extreme about it... but it's not the "everyone welcome" melting pot that is America.
There are countless countries throughout Europe that have had an influx of refugees, as well as an explosion in certain religions (no pun intended). We're tolerant here in the US because it was how this country was formed, but with refugees & Muslims invading these EU countries, it usually doesn't bring about change for the better. Not to mention that over time, these new groups living in these countries will gain weight both socially & politically to eventually start changing the landscape of these countries.
Like I said... not every country is set up to be a "melting pot".
[–]RedAero 1 point ago
In fact, European countries are set up specifically to not be melting pots. Countries have been created and torn apart because of ethnic minorities/majorities. See Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, etc. for examples.
[–]Jared_from_SUBWAY 1 point ago
I've also read of Greece having refugee problems as well.
These people leave their own countries, basically discarding them like trash, then flood into new countries, not because they like the new countries, or they want to learn the language, let alone want to emerge themselves in the new country's culture. They do it in a similar fashion to the parasite. Then if people get upset about the influx of refugees or rapidly growing muslim population, they're labeled as racist; when they just don't want to lose their homeland.
[–]mcdxi11 1 point ago
What is the significance to the scene where they are at the politician's office?
It seems like this is just a handful of wankers trying to stir up anger. Are there any policies effecting the sudanese? Or rather, is there a systemic racism against the sudanese or is it just small groups freaking out over them?
[–]snappiness 2 points ago
Good ol' Sticker Head.
[–]electrikmayhem 3 points ago
Blatant racism on Reddit, however, is still perfectly acceptable, it seems.
[–]foofaw 3 points ago
I never in my life thought I'd ever hear any Jewish person use the term "internment camp". Just... wow.
[–]SpikeMF 3 points ago
Jews in Israel calling for a government roundup of a minority that has come to their country seeking refuge? I wonder if they even realize the irony of the situation.
[–]nocubir 0 points ago
They surely don't.......
[–]Medfly70 3 points ago
If these are Meir Khahane's peeps I'm not surprised. These guys were massive cunts in NY in the 80's and 90's. Far be it from me to defend Israel, but you have to take it into context that these protesters would be considered BNP in England or somewhere between extreme right and the KKK in the states. They are a vocal minority that are complete cunts. Let's just leave it there.
[–]hairy_cock 5 points ago
No different than the ignorant fucks here in the good 'ol USA who protest the immigration of Hispanics. Fear mongering and ignorance is nothing new to the world.
[–]nirvanachicks 3 points ago
Seems like a beautiful country and a fascinating culture.
[–]Impeachobamapls 0 points ago
Exactly. They have every right to discriminate against illegals just as we should.
[–]Buthowyoudo 2 points ago
Exactly. They have every right to discriminate against illegals just as we should.
-Impeachobamapls
I get a kick out of watching people legitimizing hate.
I didn't see very many passports in the video. Come to think of it, I didn't see anything that could confirm citizenship at all, on either side, which means you didn't either. Yet, it is the premise that you've based your argument on. Which means your argument isn't conceptually related to the material that it is presumably meant to address. The only conclusion one can draw from your statement is that you lack an understanding of what citizenship means or that you are disinterested with detail and evidence.
I argue that you should not have the right to discriminate against "illegals" on the grounds that you have proven yourself unqualified, through your inadequate execution of critical analysis. It is a tool of great importance when the need arises to finely distinguishing on thing from another.
No discrimination for you!
[–]Psychology202 4 points ago
This is just a small demographic of Israelis shown in the video, we're not all like that. These people are like the chavs of Britain or the rednecks of Texas, we call them 'arseem', cause they act like arseholes.
[–]Anon49 0 points ago
ערסים?.. יותר כמו "חרידי ממוצע"
[–]wolfie1010 3 points ago
There are nutjobs in every country. Though I've always been saddened by racism amongst jews because you'd think after all the persecution they have suffered as a group of people that they'd be defenders of equality. Sad.
[–]Sparky91 4 points ago
I grew up in israel, and all i can say to this is.... racist retards are everywhere..... they can be found in every country. Hence, why you should not have an image of Israel solely based on this video alone.
[–]ManTheCan 2 points ago
Yes! let the vocal minority make us look bad.... that's like me posting a baptists church video and say all americans like to riot and soldiers funerals....
[–]esonge 5 points ago
As a Jew, this just kills me. Anti-semitism towards my great and grandparents. And then the state of Israel is created so Jews always have a place to go. To think that these people are now wanting to kick the Sudanese out because they are different is just pathetic. Hypocrisy!!!!
[–]K1ngRippa 2 points ago
I'll never understand this.
From what I understand this is a country that is created by one of the most prosecuted group in history.
The message of their religion is one of acceptance and love.
The lessons they learned in world war II
Any yet they do this! They persecute, and they don't practice what they preach.
This world is insane.
When will people realize we only have each other?
Something tells me if the world was going to end we would rather die fighting trying to be the only 'race' or group to get through it then to work together and succeed in surviving.
[–]Kartingf1Fan 0 points ago
I just can't understand how some peoples brains work!
[–]Anon49 1 point ago
They
12 people.
[–]K1ngRippa 0 points ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlT3ARuUSGc This isn't an isolated incident. Stuff like this happens in Israel all the time.
[–]Anon49 2 points ago
You speak from experience in Israel or from Youtube videos? I've been living here for 21 years and I'm in the IDF, So I know more about this shit than you.
[–]K1ngRippa 1 point ago
Ramla, in Kiryat HaAmnim. Hows dat Epeen 3000?
[–]FUANDU 4 points ago
"This is my country!", oh the irony.
[–]StewieChrisJ 0 points ago
Weren't the Palestinians there first? lol
[–]FUANDU 2 points ago
Nobody knows for sure, land shouldn't be claimed by race in my opinion .
[–]sammy1857 4 points ago
The issue with the illegal African immigrants is way, way more complex then an issue of simple racism. A lot of the immigrants are coming to Israel seeking refuge from their own countries (one of which is Sudan, classified in Israel as a hostile state) which is all nice and well, except there are 60,000 of them so far (living mostly in southern Tel Aviv) and the flow doesn't seem to be abating. A lot of them claim to be asylum seekers, as some are, but then naturally the economic migrants who are simply looking for work tag along, which creates an entirely new mess. They are largely uneducated and come from a completely different culture (that has historically been very hostile towards Jews), two traits that cause some latent animosity which is then exacerbated by seemingly menial things like increased theft rates (stolen bags and electronics often end up being resold on mats by the central bus station).
Israel is a relatively small country who already accepted a large number of these migrants- if they continue accepting more and more, when will the flow stop? Introduce an immense culture clash and a propensity towards petty crime and wallah: riots (including distasteful ones like these)
[–]btgoss 1 point ago
This video does show uneducated people, unfortunately it is not the most recent immigrants.
Immigration is a problem for many countries and often leads to these xenophobic displays. It is just the irony of these people forcing a very specific minority group out of a ghetto under threat of violence is almost too much to believe.
[–]MONEY_AND_POWER 3 points ago
We don't judge all Americans just on the videos we see of WBC? Every country has it's nutjobs.
[–]fregu149 2 points ago
Jews are the worst hypocrites. They promote multiculturalism and massimmigration in Europe and North America but advocate the exact opposite in their beloved homeland.
[–]Nimonic 11 points ago
Those aren't Jews, they are Israelis.
[–]Destator 2 points ago
People say the opposite when making a claim on Palestinian land.
[–]ayline -5 points ago
A good number of them, even the loudest, were wearing yamakas
[–]Nimonic 0 points ago
Of course they are (probably) Jewish Israelis, but the defining factor there isn't that they are Jews. Hell, it's not even really that they are Israelis, but that they are of the nationalist far-right.
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[–]TruthRage 1 point ago
See, that's the thing though isn't it, alot of people say this about isreal, but when it comes down to the arabs, we're all bad apparently.
[–]AnyTwoWillDo -6 points ago
Yeah being a foreigner in Germany is exactly the same as being a foreigner in Israel!
[–]SomePolack 6 points ago
Being a foreigner anywhere is a fairly universal experience. Sometimes the locals will be more or less hostile based on race, ethnicity, religion, language, etc... Other than that, people feel pretty much the same when they are in a foreign land.
[–]hassani1387 -6 points ago
"Israel is for the white man" - Israel's interior minister Eli Yishai
http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2012/06/22/note-to-refugees-from-south-sudan-israel-is-for-the-white-man/
[–]leSwede420 16 points ago
Jews are the worst hypocrites. They promote multiculturalism and massimmigration in Europe and North America but advocate the exact opposite in their beloved homeland.
Reddit or Stormfront?
[–]Narcoleptico 1 point ago
I've seen more reasoned opinions on Stormfront than on Reddit.
[–]JagexSucks 5 points ago
"The goal of the operation is to send Gaza back to the Middle Ages, only then will Israel be calm for the next 40 years."
Israeli Interior Minister Eli Yishai on Israel's military operation in Gaza.
[–]Anon49 1 point ago
Eli Yishai and Ben Ari are cancer.
[–]Datum -2 points ago
Oh I have more quotes from Israeli leaders:
"The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more you give them meat, they want more".... Ehud Barak, Prime Minister of Israel at the time - August 28, 2000. Reported in the Jerusalem Post August 30, 2000
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" [The Palestinians are] beasts walking on two legs." Menahim Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts". New Statesman, 25 June 1982.
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"The Palestinians" would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls." " Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988
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"When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle." Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defence Forces, New York Times, 14 April 1983.
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"One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail." -- Rabbi Yaacov Perrin, Feb. 27, 1994 [Source: N.Y. Times, Feb. 28, 1994, p. 1]
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Israeli Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg, Inferring that killing isn't murder if the victim is Gentile. Jerusalem Post, June 19,1989: "Jewish blood and a goy's [gentile's] blood are not the same."
Sources:
The first one:
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Israel
http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/jpost/access/59200154.html?dids=59200154:59200154&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&type=current&date=Aug+30%2C+2000&author=&pub=Jerusalem+Post&edition=&startpage=02&desc=PA+demands+Barak+apologize+for+%27crocodile%27+comment
The second one:
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Menachem_Begin
http://begincenterdiary.blogspot.com/2009/05/correcting-misquotation-reputedly-by.html
http://rense.com/general90/begin_quote.htm
The third:
http://www.nytimes.com/1988/04/01/world/shamir-promises-to-crush-rioters.html
The fourth:
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-11-21/news/ct-perspec-1121-gaza-20121121_1_gaza-crisis-hamas-israel-and-gaza
http://www.csun.edu/~vcmth00m/boycott.html
The fifth:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baruch_Goldstein
http://www.wrmea.org/component/content/article/175/1866-growing-intolerance-threatens-the-humane-jewish-tradition.html
http://articles.latimes.com/1994-02-28/news/mn-28250_1_extremist-jews
http://www.nytimes.com/1994/03/09/opinion/l-from-orthodox-jewish-education-to-hebron-scripture-distorted-415430.html
The sixth:
http://books.google.com.eg/books?id=ZlW8Txo-N2gC&pg=PA33&lpg=PA33&dq=%22Jewish+blood+and+a+goy's%22&source=bl&ots=cs18dFNqT2&sig=YwromFX4flMPNcxUri3Z1IoIaug&hl=en&sa=X&ei=AVr1UIbXLobDswbnoYD4Bg&ved=0CEEQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=%22Jewish%20blood%20and%20a%20goy's%22&f=false
http://www.ameu.org/Resources-(1)/Why-DID-the-United-Nations-Resolve-that-Zionism-Is.aspx
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[–]rnofechm 3 points ago
As a person who lived in Israel and loves black people this makes me sad.
[–]banderwocky 1 point ago
I have to imagine Hitler is laughing right about now.
[–]Iolrsk8s_3 2 points ago
Then they wonder why nobody likes them....
[–]PandoRamma 1 point ago
I find this video unbelievable in that if you were to tell me it was shot in the states I would never believe that a nerdy looking white jew would be openly chewing out black guys on the street telling them to go back to Africa.
[–]jackwoww 2 points ago
The more I learn about Israel the less I like it.
[–]Speedophile2000 0 points ago
Its funny because that main screaming blonde douchebag has as much right to call himself a Jew as someone of African descent. It might be a surprise for him, but he hardly has any Semitic ancestors, 90% chance that he is Polish.
[–]oceansponge 4 points ago
Is the Westboro Baptist Church the representation of Americans?
[–]uneasylistening 0 points ago
With zero idea of the double irony that when they say "i was born here", here is someone else's country that was forcibly given to the jews after they were nearly wiped out due to this very mentality. the ignorance..is blinding
[–]natostrike 1 point ago
A strong sense of nationalistic pride and belief in superiority over others is what escalates this hypocrisy.
[–]uriman 2 points ago
Israel really has to figure out how to deal with the ultraorthodox, the haridim, taking over society. At least the Africans came to work. What will happen to the economy when the demographically become a majority while refusing to work while collecting benefits?
[–]btgoss 1 point ago
Responsible nations need to figure out how to deal with religious zealots taking over society. It happens there, it happens here in America, it will happen in Turkey. I'm sure God is very disappointed in all of us.
[–]edrt_ 0 points ago
So what? I just see a bunch of fuckheads raving about some shit on the streets. We shouldn't care about these fools, but instead about the Israeli army.
[–]0mega9401 1 point ago
fucking, most ass backward thinking ive seen in a very long time.
[–]qaiszer0 2 points ago
These kids need to get bitch slapped.
[–]M3g4d37h 1 point ago
Israel has truly lost it's way.
It's a helluva thing to become what you once feared and despised.
[–]rejs7 2 points ago
Most of the problem children are those whose parents were un/under educated before they came to the holy land, from Russia etc, who were never able to give their children the opportunity to progress within Israeli society. Just like any other second or third generation immigrant group they jump on the bandwagon of extremism to have a voice, and unfortunately are picking on groups who are too weak to stand up to these thugs.
[–]WerBlerr 1 point ago
But they're in africa.
[–]Bongmasterspliff 2 points ago
I got downvoted to oblivion for calling the forced deportations unacceptable back when the first articles about it were posted on worldnews. I have a little more than sneaking suspicion that reddit is filled with shills who strategically push certain political agendas and ideas.
[–]xsmokeandmirrorsxb13 1 point ago
If there was any thing in this world that convinced me that the human race wasn't rasict i'd be damned ! Wait, thats right I said "HUMAN RACE" hence we are all one. Your all so oblivious to nature and humanity and what it is truly there for.
[–]Herpderpg 1 point ago
like racism against blacks in america?
[–]trautsla 2 points ago
SERIOUSLY, that was nothing! Remember the Spurlock misadventure?
[–]zeelaw 1 point ago
IRONY
[–]youngbosnia 1 point ago
Xenophobes
[–]surprisinglydull 1 point ago
shocking how quickly people forget what this kind of mentality has created in the past
[–]el_metro 2 points ago
Wow, apparently a few hateful people who haven't even congregated into a mob, unlike groups like the KKK or the Golden Dawn are now representative of the entire population of Israel? I'm no JIDF troll but this is ridiculous, there are bigots everywhere, get over it.
[–]BagDaddy 0 points ago
It's a bunch of Russian thugs running wild in Israel. The irony.
[–]edible_building 0 points ago
Yeah blatant racism like that exists here in the US too. You just have to go out and look for it like this camera crew did.
[–]ctchicken 1 point ago
Well, I for one am glad the Israeli people are not a hostile and antagonistic people. Almost everywhere they go they are embraced and beloved. Keep up the good work, one friend at a time.
[–]TannerTDB 1 point ago
Oh the irony.
[–]chantistar 1 point ago
how did africans get there? if palestinians can't even live there why would they let africans in?
[–]nocubir 0 points ago
Because they're probably Jews, so they give them preferential treatment. The supreme fucking irony is that Israeli White Jews don't consider them Jew enough, because they're black and poor. Fucking hypocrites.
[–]randomkloud 1 point ago
oh god, the irony, it hurts so bad
[–]kalyco 1 point ago
they suck.
[–]furtiveraccoon 1 point ago
Watch the end for the best spurt of english aggressive language I've heard in a while
[–]AnalBruising 2 points ago
I dont see any labelling of all Israelis as racist in this video, just the ones who are being racist and who are Israeli. People need to stop getting so stuck up, every Reddit thread that mentions race has groups that argue for the extremes of both sides straight away. Fuckin annoying.
[–]ArtBandit 1 point ago
wow, that is so fucked... on many levels.
[–]Jkurz 2 points ago
Welcome to Israel...
[–]MarcBoudy7 1 point ago
The jews don't want any other type of person in their homeland. If they're guilty of anything it's consistency.
[–]ppcpunk 2 points ago
I wanted to see someone knock out that guy at the end who threw the shirt so fucking badly. I love it when a tough guy gets KO'd.
[–]zenicaone 1 point ago
The only democracy in the middle east at work
[–]nocubir 0 points ago
I feel like Israeli Jews are the douchebags/Jersey Shore of the middle east...
[–]PKhes 1 point ago
Ok, I really don't get any of the racism towards blacks by any community of people in general. Is it just a thing for the whole world to be prejudice towards Africans?
[–]GUYFROMPAWNSTARS 0 points ago
kill all filthy israelis
[–]Nocturnallover 0 points ago
Where's hitler when you need him ?
[–]Gaskammer -3 points ago
Fuck Israel
[–]Datum 2 points ago
No matter what 1 or 10 Africans did. You can not label all the African refugees or community as "bad" and ask to expel them form the country.
[–]NorfolkSouthern -3 points ago
Except in the U.S. where they are the minority however make up a majority of crime
[–]Flearis -5 points ago
Nazi-Jews
[–]flatlander00321 -5 points ago
Israelis are racists? News at 11.
These cocksuckers took their lessons from the best, after all: Nazis and Americans.
[–]specofdust 0 points ago
Meh, it's their country (kind of) - don't see why it's not up to them to decide their own immigration policy.
[–]sesaw 0 points ago
shut up...
[–]specofdust 2 points ago
Sorry, so you're saying that the citizens of a country shouldn't be allowed to influence or dictate their own immigration policy?
[–]hassani1387 -4 points ago
Sure, and its for the rest of us to say that their immigration policy is racist.
Ethiopian Jews are treated as not really Jews
http://www.haaretz.com/news/olmert-ethiopian-jews-are-right-to-feel-discriminated-against-1.234885
"Israel is for the White man" - Israel’s interior minister Eli Yishai http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2012/06/22/note-to-refugees-from-south-sudan-israel-is-for-the-white-man/
[–]specofdust 2 points ago
Is it racist? I mean if you think about it, 1/3 sudanese people can't read or write, so essentially you're talking as a group about an uneducated group of people who're coming from a fairly backward country with a GDP per cap of 2k USD to a modern functioning semi-democracy with highly educated citizens, a GDP per cap of about 31k, and a totally different culture.
Is it wrong for them to not desire that sort of immigration? Is it racist?
I don't think it necessarily has to be.
[–]hassani1387 -2 points ago
"Israel is for the White man" shows the actual sentiments behind the immigration policy, as does the mistreatment of Israeli Jews who happen to be from African backgrounds
[–]specofdust 3 points ago
Shows the sentiment of one person, not necessarily all who oppose this. To paint them in a generalising manner would appear to be no better than to be racist - both are gross generalisations based off too little information.
[–]hassani1387 -2 points ago
It isn't the "sentiment of one person" when even Israeli officials admit to the racism
http://www.haaretz.com/news/olmert-ethiopian-jews-are-right-to-feel-discriminated-against-1.234885
[–]redfrojoe 2 points ago
Seriously WTF. This is why we need to teach History.
[–]g1i1ch 2 points ago
Sorry to break this to you but huge amounts of racism exist all over the middle east not just Israel. http://atlantablackstar.com/2012/10/17/blacks-in-north-africa-and-middle-east-often-face-virulent-racism-from-arabs/
[–]hassani1387 -3 points ago
Except that Israel is the one that receives billions of dollars from American taxpayers.
[–]g1i1ch 6 points ago
I take no sides, but that's a lie. The US gives foreign aid to all the countries of the middle east not just Israel.
source, http://foreignassistance.gov/CountryIntro.aspx
[–]hassani1387 -3 points ago
What part of "Billions of dollars" are you not getting? Almost half of the US foreign aid budget goes to 1 country: Israel. A smaller amount goes to Egypt...as payment for making peace with Israel. In fact US aid to Israel is now one of the largest peacetime transfer of wealth from one nation to another. This, despite the fact that Israel is hardly "poor" like oh, say, Jordan.
[–]g1i1ch 1 point ago
And? It could actually be the billionth example of corruption in the whole world... just today.
The reason for that aid is because they're the US's puppet and stronghold in the middle east. You think Jews have anything to do with it? Both backs are being scratched. Regardless, I don't see how you're surprised at all that something like that is going on. Hell if I ran my own country I'd pay billions to have a puppet in the middle east too.
Besides, I fail to see how this is at all relevant to the topic at hand.
[–]Superconducter -2 points ago
There is no racism in Israel. What are you talking about.
/s
[–]DrBoomkin 0 points ago
Some of the people in the video are assholes, but let's not forget that those Africans are illegal immigrants, who live in those neighborhoods openly and are not deported for some reason.
[–]DaveTOR 4 points ago
That is right, a lot of the people commenting here are hypocrites. They are not okay with illegal immigration in their country, but when Israel does it. RACISM!!
Illegal immigrants are largely poor and uneducated and drain the welfare, health and public education systems. Don't play the racism card, this isn't about race, its about illegal immigrants abusing the UN's convention of refugees.
[–]hassani1387 0 points ago
The fact that anyone who claims to be Jewish can automatically get Israeli citizenship, whereas people from Africa are kept as illegals, has nothing to do with it? Really? Nuthin at all? LOL
[–]fezzuk 1 point ago
so are they illegal immigrants or refugees?
[–]DrBoomkin -1 points ago
According to the UN, a refugee must declare his refugee status in the first country he arrives in. Those people went through at least one country (Egypt) before they came to Israel, so they are not refugees.
[–]vogrez 1 point ago
I am not sure about this: looking through the refugee handbook on procedures and criteria, it's not in Article 1 C, and looking at Google I only found "first safe country" (for Canada laws), so there can always be a claim about not feeling safe in Egypt.
There probably are those who just want to sneak into a beautiful country (I have no idea about %), the problem being - nothing is being done to determine their status, and send them away if they are not refugees, and offer asylum / cooperate with other countries to offer asylum if they are not.
[–]Datum 0 points ago
How do you know that all of those Africans are illegal immigrants? All what I hear is "Sudanese go back to Sudan". It's not "Illegal immigrants go back to where you come from". Also, why were they harassing the poor women in the supermarket? Are you justifying that as well?
[–]DrBoomkin -1 points ago
They are saying "Sudanese go back to Sudan" because most of the illegal immigrant are from Sudan. There is no legal immigration from Sudan to Israel. I know they are illegal immigrants and not refugees because of what I wrote in the previous post:
According to the UN, a refugee must declare his refugee status in the first country he arrives in. Those people went through at least one country (Egypt) before they came to Israel, so they are not refugees.

Are you justifying that as well?
I said they are assholes didn't I?
[–]DrBoomkin 1 point ago
They claim they are asylum seekers, but once they left Egypt they are no longer asylum seekers according to UN laws.
From your own articles it is completely clear that the protests are specifically against illegal migrants, and legal immigrants from Ethiopia are only affected because they are mistaken for illegals.
Legal immigrants from Ethiopia are actually very much against the illegals from Sudan because of this issue.
[–]Datum -2 points ago
I think I already told you that there are registered in Israel. Please read more about their legality in Israel here: http://www.unhcr.org/cgi-bin/texis/vtx/ho